Consumer Reports List Powerboost On Least Reliable

[erixgix]

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[asouza68]

I ordered a 23 PB, that I expect to receive built in the next year or two. I tried to dig more into the CR issues, as most of what I have read on this forum regarding PBs have been more favorable than not. Found one article that was more specific on the F150 PB CR complaints. They were different than other hybrid complaints in that customers were disappointed in the MPG of the hybrid, not necessarily regarding quality issues. Their expectations weren't met because they expected a "traditional" hybrid whose main benefit was increased MPG, where the F150 was designed as a "Power" boost, not "MPG" boost. The benefit of the PB is towing, torque and the generator. The general public's MPG expectations didn't factor in the actual design benefits.

 

[LCMM55]

This is a bit scary. I thought these Ford Hybrid systems were ready for prime time. I’m having random issues with my 22 PB (climate controls, error messages, )

anyone having major reliability issues?

https://www.autoblog.com/article/least-reliable-cars-trucks-2022/

My 2021 PB xlt which i bought used in January 22 with 7000 miles has had zero problems. Now with 18044 miles on the OD I consider it the best PU on the market. The best towing and HP and gas mileage all my needs. My previous tow vehicle was a 2004 chev sub 5.3L that was tired after 18 years and 133k miles. Could no longer tow my 7600 pound trailer.

 

[Viper]

I have 4500 miles on my 22 Limited and have trany problems, Ford said since it is such low milage they ordered a new Trany a month ago and said it should arrive around turkey day with a appt on 12-12-22 to install it. Other than that no other problems but a trany is a pretty big item! Other than that no issues

 

[Fredm2002]

I have 37,158 miles as of today. While there have been some issues, no more than I had on my 2016, 2015, 2011, or 2001 Ford trucks.

The PB is a nice addition to the lineup, in my opinion. I subscribe to CR but will not renew due to what I perceive as biased which is once again, my opinion.

 

[HammaMan]

Received my 22' Powerboost Platinum back mid May, after waiting almost 6 months. Fast forward to the beginning of November where I get a check engine light out of the blue having only 6,300 miles on it. Turns out to be the infamous error code P0430 Catalytic Converter issue, and at the same time fuel economy just took a dive out of the blue.

Took my truck to the dealer, and the CAT is on back-order going to four weeks now with no ETA. Ford case manager is currently trying to expedite this part from the supplier while at the same time we're going through the approval channels to surrender the truck back to Ford for full reimbursement, plus monies on all upgrades we made after the fact. (Whichever comes first as we're not taking chances on an $84K fully loaded vehicle.) Paying this much for one of their top of the line luxury trucks, and having this dilemma on a brand new vehicle is unacceptable.

This may the only issue once replaced, but in my experience, this early in the game is not a good sign. Every thing else has worked perfectly. I try not to read too many articles, and usually treat CR with a grain of salt. There's just too much influential factors to rate vehicles, and sometimes articles are misleading.

Personally, going to 'buyback' over a fuggin cat has got to be the dumbest thing I read today. Sorry, I read it a few days ago when nobody responded to the post, and that day too, it was the dumbest thing I've read. It's mid Nov. currently, and it's at a distant lead for the dumbest thing I've heard this month. Might as well be over a tire.

 

[imnuts]

Personally, as many faults as the current Gen F150 has, and not all of them isolated to the Powerboost, I think it's at least 4 years before Ford had a true competitor to the current truck, and they'll likely have something better available by then.

GM offers self-driving, but they were having component issues with that just like Ford is with everything else, and it is only the GMC and isn't a hybrid. Toyota has a hybrid with NiCd batteries, I thought they stopped using them a decade ago, and there's no ProPower. Ram has a nice interior, but Mopar has never been known for problem free ownership and I'm pretty sure it's only gotten worse in recent years.

Of every Powerboost specific problem I've seen, the leaking exhaust heat exchanger is the only "critical" issue. It's hard to run with low/no coolant. The axle bolt issue is concerning, but only affects Max Tow trucks and may not even be PB specific. Software/Update issues are just growing pains of a new platform that will eventually be resolved. I'm sure that dealer competence isn't helping the ratings any either.

While I haven't read the article, it reminds me of something I read about JD Power ratings several years ago. Some of the lowest rated vehicles/brand were only prolly rated because of simple things like owner problems with the infotainment systems. It wasn't that the vehicle itself was bad, just that the owner didn't know how to do something and assumed it didn't work. It would explain why Porsche and Lexus are typically top rated as well as I've always heard that their dealership experiences are top notch, so any minor problems are probably resolved before the owner drives the new car off the lot.

 

[2mileshigh]

I ordered a 23 PB, that I expect to receive built in the next year or two. I tried to dig more into the CR issues, as most of what I have read on this forum regarding PBs have been more favorable than not. Found one article that was more specific on the F150 PB CR complaints. They were different than other hybrid complaints in that customers were disappointed in the MPG of the hybrid, not necessarily regarding quality issues. Their expectations weren't met because they expected a "traditional" hybrid whose main benefit was increased MPG, where the F150 was designed as a "Power" boost, not "MPG" boost. The benefit of the PB is towing, torque and the generator. The general public's MPG expectations didn't factor in the actual design benefits.

Mileage isn't a factor in CR's reliability ratings.

What Types of Problems Are Reflected?

Are All Automotive Problems Included?
Respondents to our surveys are asked to identify problems they have experienced in a 12-month period in any of 17 trouble spots. We do not currently publish scores for active driver assistance systems and airbags because problem rates in these areas are low or, in the case of airbags, because of recalls.
What Do the Trouble Areas Cover?
Our Reliability History charts cover problems in any of 17 trouble areas. Here’s a look at what’s covered in each of those areas, listed in order of mechanical and more serious problems first:

ENGINE (or ELECTRIC MOTOR), MAJOR: Engine or electric motor rebuild or replacement, cylinder head, head gasket, turbocharger or supercharger, timing chain or belt.
ENGINE (or ELECTRIC MOTOR), MINOR: Accessory belts and pulleys, engine computer, engine mounts, engine knock or ping, electric motor malfunction, fuel leaks, oil leaks.
ENGINE COOLING: Radiator, cooling fan, water pump, thermostat, antifreeze leaks, overheating.
TRANSMISSION, MAJOR: Transmission rebuild or replacement, torque converter, premature clutch replacement.
TRANSMISSION, MINOR: Gear selector and linkage, transmission computer, transmission sensor or solenoid, clutch adjustment, rough shifting, slipping transmission, leaks.
DRIVE SYSTEM: Driveshaft or axle, CV joint, differential, transfer case, four-wheel-drive/all-wheel-drive components, driveline vibration, electrical failure, traction control, electronic stability control.
FUEL SYSTEM/EMISSIONS: Sensors (O₂, or oxygen, sensor), emission-control devices (includes EGR), fuel-injection system, fuel gauge/sender, fuel pump, problems filling up the tank.
ELECTRICAL (or CHARGING) SYSTEM: Alternator, starter, hybrid/electric battery replacement, hybrid/electric battery related systems, regular battery, battery cables, engine harness, coil, ignition switch, electronic ignition, spark plugs and wires failure, auto stop/start, electric vehicle charging.
CLIMATE SYSTEM: AC compressor, blower (fan) motor, condenser, evaporator, heater system, automatic climate system, electrical failure, refrigerant leakage.
SUSPENSION/STEERING: Shocks or struts, ball joints, tie rods, wheel bearings, alignment, steering linkage (includes rack and pinion), power steering (pumps and hoses, leaks), wheel balance, springs or torsion bars, bushings, electronic or air suspension.
BRAKES: Antilock system, parking brake, master cylinder, calipers, rotors, pulsation or vibration, squeaking, brake failure, premature wear, regenerative braking.
EXHAUST: Muffler, pipes, catalytic converter, exhaust manifold, heat shields, leaks.
PAINT/TRIM: Paint (fading, chalking, peeling, or cracking), loose interior or exterior trim or moldings, rust.
BODY INTEGRITY (Noises/leaks): Squeaks, rattles, wind noises, seals and/or weather stripping, air and water leaks.
BODY HARDWARE: Windows, locks and latches, doors or sliding doors, tailgate, trunk or hatch, mirrors, seat controls (power or manual), seat belts, sunroof, convertible top, glass defect.
POWER EQUIPMENT AND ACCESSORIES: Cruise control, clock, warning lights, body control module, keyless entry, wiper motor or washer, tire pressure monitor, interior or exterior lights, horn, gauges, 12V power plug, USB port, alarm or security system, remote engine start, heated or cooled seats, heated steering wheel, headlights, automatic headlights, automatic wipers, wireless charging pad.
IN-CAR ELECTRONICS: CD player, rear entertainment system (rear screen or DVD player), radio, speakers, in-dash GPS, display screen freezes or goes blank, phone pairing (e.g., Bluetooth), voice control commands, steering wheel controls, portable music device interface (e.g., iPod/MP3 player), backup or other camera/sensors, Android Auto/Apple CarPlay, infotainment hardware replacement, software over-the-air fixes, head-up display.
Are All Problems Considered Equally Serious?
Engine major, engine cooling, transmission major, and drive system problems are more likely to take a car out of service and to be more expensive to repair than the other problem areas. Consequently, we weight these areas more heavily in our calculations of model year overall reliability verdict. Problems such as broken trim and in-car electronics have a much smaller weight. Problems in any area can be an expense and a bother, though, so we report them all in the reliability history charts.

 

[asouza68]

Mileage isn't a factor in CR's reliability ratings.

What Types of Problems Are Reflected?

Are All Automotive Problems Included?
Respondents to our surveys are asked to identify problems they have experienced in a 12-month period in any of 17 trouble spots. We do not currently publish scores for active driver assistance systems and airbags because problem rates in these areas are low or, in the case of airbags, because of recalls.
What Do the Trouble Areas Cover?
Our Reliability History charts cover problems in any of 17 trouble areas. Here’s a look at what’s covered in each of those areas, listed in order of mechanical and more serious problems first:

ENGINE (or ELECTRIC MOTOR), MAJOR: Engine or electric motor rebuild or replacement, cylinder head, head gasket, turbocharger or supercharger, timing chain or belt.
ENGINE (or ELECTRIC MOTOR), MINOR: Accessory belts and pulleys, engine computer, engine mounts, engine knock or ping, electric motor malfunction, fuel leaks, oil leaks.
ENGINE COOLING: Radiator, cooling fan, water pump, thermostat, antifreeze leaks, overheating.
TRANSMISSION, MAJOR: Transmission rebuild or replacement, torque converter, premature clutch replacement.
TRANSMISSION, MINOR: Gear selector and linkage, transmission computer, transmission sensor or solenoid, clutch adjustment, rough shifting, slipping transmission, leaks.
DRIVE SYSTEM: Driveshaft or axle, CV joint, differential, transfer case, four-wheel-drive/all-wheel-drive components, driveline vibration, electrical failure, traction control, electronic stability control.
FUEL SYSTEM/EMISSIONS: Sensors (O₂, or oxygen, sensor), emission-control devices (includes EGR), fuel-injection system, fuel gauge/sender, fuel pump, problems filling up the tank.
ELECTRICAL (or CHARGING) SYSTEM: Alternator, starter, hybrid/electric battery replacement, hybrid/electric battery related systems, regular battery, battery cables, engine harness, coil, ignition switch, electronic ignition, spark plugs and wires failure, auto stop/start, electric vehicle charging.
CLIMATE SYSTEM: AC compressor, blower (fan) motor, condenser, evaporator, heater system, automatic climate system, electrical failure, refrigerant leakage.
SUSPENSION/STEERING: Shocks or struts, ball joints, tie rods, wheel bearings, alignment, steering linkage (includes rack and pinion), power steering (pumps and hoses, leaks), wheel balance, springs or torsion bars, bushings, electronic or air suspension.
BRAKES: Antilock system, parking brake, master cylinder, calipers, rotors, pulsation or vibration, squeaking, brake failure, premature wear, regenerative braking.
EXHAUST: Muffler, pipes, catalytic converter, exhaust manifold, heat shields, leaks.
PAINT/TRIM: Paint (fading, chalking, peeling, or cracking), loose interior or exterior trim or moldings, rust.
BODY INTEGRITY (Noises/leaks): Squeaks, rattles, wind noises, seals and/or weather stripping, air and water leaks.
BODY HARDWARE: Windows, locks and latches, doors or sliding doors, tailgate, trunk or hatch, mirrors, seat controls (power or manual), seat belts, sunroof, convertible top, glass defect.
POWER EQUIPMENT AND ACCESSORIES: Cruise control, clock, warning lights, body control module, keyless entry, wiper motor or washer, tire pressure monitor, interior or exterior lights, horn, gauges, 12V power plug, USB port, alarm or security system, remote engine start, heated or cooled seats, heated steering wheel, headlights, automatic headlights, automatic wipers, wireless charging pad.
IN-CAR ELECTRONICS: CD player, rear entertainment system (rear screen or DVD player), radio, speakers, in-dash GPS, display screen freezes or goes blank, phone pairing (e.g., Bluetooth), voice control commands, steering wheel controls, portable music device interface (e.g., iPod/MP3 player), backup or other camera/sensors, Android Auto/Apple CarPlay, infotainment hardware replacement, software over-the-air fixes, head-up display.
Are All Problems Considered Equally Serious?
Engine major, engine cooling, transmission major, and drive system problems are more likely to take a car out of service and to be more expensive to repair than the other problem areas. Consequently, we weight these areas more heavily in our calculations of model year overall reliability verdict. Problems such as broken trim and in-car electronics have a much smaller weight. Problems in any area can be an expense and a bother, though, so we report them all in the reliability history charts.

Feels like I'm about to start a debate with one of my Chevy buddies...

 

[Bluesman]

I'm pretty happy with my PB, there are a few technology quirks but overall I think it's a very good truck. 8,865 clean miles and 6 months.

 

[Ira Nanneman]

i have found you have to take CP with a large grain of salt. they are not that NON BIAS as they say

but yes vehicles have issues, i cant speak for the PB
the pb has tons of NEW stuff to contend with. would be interesting to see actual owners list warranty issues to get a real feel.
the pb having the abiltiy to power your house , or camper or anything is HUGE. who else is doing this? not gm or ram. if one had been available i would have bought one

i for one think vehicles are being built better.
but i have owned many fords since 1988. as far as warranty issues or things driving me nuts. its been pretty low
i have had the share of recall things,
the 2022 has had one warranty repair to tire pressure sensor and one battery that was not right size as specified in builder book. and a recall for tbc
2021 f250 2 warranty one for battery junction box and one for trim installed wrong from factory
my 2016 exp had zero warranty or repairs over its 40k miles
2013 had 2, one was inter cooler and one the sunroof
2006 had the turbo hot side and high pressure oil pump fixed
2002 had zero, and i drove it like it was a rental.
2012 edge, 2 warranty items, rear camera and front struts at 75k miles
1992 had one recall and one ac fix under warranty
1988 one warranty fix of driveshaft u joints that were owner caused
1986 blazer...i dont have enough space to list the problems, including new engine

 

[Ira Nanneman]

I'm new to the PB family having just purchased a 18' with 39.5k. I've had it just under a month and I'm impressed with how it handles, the quiet, and of course the power. It runs circles around my 98' F150 with the 4.2 V6 in it. I also have a 85' Bronco II that I've owned since 95. So I belive in the products. The only issue the PB had per the previous owner was the tranny failed in April this year but was replaced with a new unit (not rebuilt) as part of the factory drivetrain warranty. Are there other things I should be on the lookout for ?

 

[Cb Mw]

I'm new to the PB family having just purchased a 18' with 39.5k.

Powerboost hybrid? It was introduced in 2021.

 

[CaptainAmericaRob]

since 2021 is the first year of production for the 10R80 hybrid transmission, i would expect a few glitches here and there, as with many first year technologies.
the 3.5 EB engine is basically carryover.
my truck did have an error code a few times with miss firing. it has since corrected itself and the rest of my truck has been awesome!

 

[Ira Nanneman]

Powerboost hybrid? It was introduced in 2021.

No, sorry... mine is the EcoBoost.

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