First of Many electric vehcile woe stories?

[Gros Ventre]

The way its programmed makes the difference. This is a series hybrid. An electric motor has very high power & torque at zero rpm, tapering off as rpm raises. The ICE must get rolling to produce rated power and torque. So how the programming is set up to transfer power from one to the other as the truck accelerates makes a real difference. EG Max goes to the motor on punching it, then the power is shifted as the engine comes into its power band and battery deplection is becoming a factor, followed by the turbos kicking in to further raise power. Contrast this with the BEV where it's all battery where power output is decreasing with acceleration while battery depletion is farther out (hopefully).

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[Kanuck]

Just saw this article... adds to the pot...

https://futurism.com/the-byte/ford-ceo-road-trip-electric-f-150

 

[Snakebitten]

Just saw this article... adds to the pot...

https://futurism.com/the-byte/ford-ceo-road-trip-electric-f-150

That's a perfect example of why you can't trust anything you read/hear "reported" these days.

When in fact, a Hybrid with a wire attached is allowed. (10 miles of EV mode required)
And ICE exemptions for anything heavier than a 1/2 ton pickup truck.

ZERO emissions is such a funny term.

 

[Calson]

With the millions of very dirty diesel engines in operation and all the health problems caused by their exhaust particulates the fastest way to reduce overall pollution is by adding zero pollution vehicles, particularly in major cities.

When we went shopping for an EV last year a major concern was with the many EVs that lacked a spare tire. In the event of a flat it would be necessary to have a flat bed tow truck take the car to a tire store to have the tire replaced. If that happened on the way to the airport or hundreds of miles from you home and at night it would mean having the vehicle dropped off at a tire store and then spending the night(s) at a hotel and then hoping that the tire store had a replacement tire.

I learned from highway patrol officers that changing a tire on the side of the road is very very dangerous and better to destroy the flat tire by driving to where it was safe to change than take a chance of having an inattentive motorist (which is the majority of drivers today) smashing into the vehicle and killing anyone inside or beside it.

 

[powerboatr]

With the millions of very dirty diesel engines in operation and all the health problems caused by their exhaust particulates the fastest way to reduce overall pollution is by adding zero pollution vehicles, particularly in major cities.

When we went shopping for an EV last year a major concern was with the many EVs that lacked a spare tire. In the event of a flat it would be necessary to have a flat bed tow truck take the car to a tire store to have the tire replaced. If that happened on the way to the airport or hundreds of miles from you home and at night it would mean having the vehicle dropped off at a tire store and then spending the night(s) at a hotel and then hoping that the tire store had a replacement tire.

I learned from highway patrol officers that changing a tire on the side of the road is very very dangerous and better to destroy the flat tire by driving to where it was safe to change than take a chance of having an inattentive motorist (which is the majority of drivers today) smashing into the vehicle and killing anyone inside or beside it.

i am not going to say your are wrong...but i will say this
since 2009 most OTR diesels engines have been equipped with particulate filters, selective catalyst , exhaust fluid systems and actually burn many times cleaner than the engines from 2006
heavier engines. with very few exceptions

my bus is a 2008 has the particulate filter that burns off the soot particles ..its tailpipe is SHINY clean all the time, not black and sooty, the chrome is only showing slight over heat signs as the dpf runs around 1300 to do away with the particulate matter.


my 2021 f250 exhaust was so clean you would swear it was brand new

the rolling coal light duty trucks are quickly becoming a thing of the past as epa and state crackdown on the modifying of said exhaust systems
as the older engines die off, they will become less and less and even now are only very small fraction of particulate emissions
there is no high sulphur diesel fuel for otr vehicles and even off road machines are now equipped with reduction systems like their on road counterparts

it has been well documented that the modern diesel engine in on road vehicles actually emits much cleaner air than what it ingested to run.
so as the very old now trucks get replaced or rebuilt engines go in, the sooty belchy stuff is all but gone

 

[Calson]

How did you miss the many stories about the auto companies using various techniques to cheat the emissions testing for their diesel powered vehicles?

I had a diesel powered pickup with a 2011 engine that used ultra low sulfur diesel fuel but it was still very dirty. Diesel fuel is inherently dirty and with the hundreds of thousands of particles in each gallon of diesel burned this fuel also is very hard on the fuel injectors that have a life that is at best half that of a gas engine. Even with 98.7% fuel filtration there are 240,000 particals that get past the filter and end up in the exhaust.

These particles in the exhaust are why diesel engines are responsible for so many respiratory illness in urban areas. The asthma ER costs alone are over $19 billion a year and many billions more are spent on corticosteroid inhalers.

 

[boo radley]

The world is not ready for EVs.

They are good for short trips and running errands. I have read that the F150 lighting tows like a beast. Uphill like nothing is behind the truck.

The hybrid is the way to go in lieu of diving in head first. Eventually they will figure out how to get more range from EVs. I have wondered why they can't have generators at each wheel. Somewhat self perpetuating. As the wheels roll they generate power for the vehicle and batteries. Isn't that what those wind turbines do?

 

[powerboatr]

How did you miss the many stories about the auto companies using various techniques to cheat the emissions testing for their diesel powered vehicles?

I had a diesel powered pickup with a 2011 engine that used ultra low sulfur diesel fuel but it was still very dirty. Diesel fuel is inherently dirty and with the hundreds of thousands of particles in each gallon of diesel burned this fuel also is very hard on the fuel injectors that have a life that is at best half that of a gas engine. Even with 98.7% fuel filtration there are 240,000 particals that get past the filter and end up in the exhaust.

These particles in the exhaust are why diesel engines are responsible for so many respiratory illness in urban areas. The asthma ER costs alone are over $19 billion a year and many billions more are spent on corticosteroid inhalers.

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[Sapphire]

The world is not ready for EVs.

They are good for short trips and running errands. I have read that the F150 lighting tows like a beast. Uphill like nothing is behind the truck.

The hybrid is the way to go in lieu of diving in head first. Eventually they will figure out how to get more range from EVs. I have wondered why they can't have generators at each wheel. Somewhat self perpetuating. As the wheels roll they generate power for the vehicle and batteries. Isn't that what those wind turbines do?

They do have generators, that's what regenerative braking is.

 

[HammaMan]

I have wondered why they can't have generators at each wheel. Somewhat self perpetuating. As the wheels roll they generate power for the vehicle and batteries. Isn't that what those wind turbines do?

Yes -- why can't we have perpetual energy vehicles

 

[Snakebitten]

Got home about 3 hours ago.
I parked in my RV charging spot and plugged in.

Tomorrow is Saturday and I have no reason to do anything more than perhaps run around town for errands. So probably will only charge to 75%

Leafs version of FordPass. 3 minutes ago.

EV's are no longer just a few makes/models with similar battery technology and range. There's now numerous luxury yachts with huge range beyond 300 miles at interstate speeds. Even 400+ (expensive vehicles though. Today's $70,000 luxury F150 make these EV's blush at their MSRP)

And battery technology has wide variances too. The Leaf above is very much an entry level battery with fairly modern chemistry, but stone age thermal management. (None, to be exact! You manage it yourself if you want to avoid shortening it's lifespan)

Charge time is all over the map too on the current EV offerings. Again, the Leaf battery technology is NOT for someone on-the-go who needs a quick 50-100 mile shot in the arm with 15 minutes at the pump. But there are now more and more EV's showing up with sophisticated charging strategies and thermal management and they CAN stop at Buc-ee's and get 100 miles of ions while they grab a drink and pee.

My point being is that just comparing range between EVs is no longer apples/apples.
There are EV's with identical ranges yet one is a potential road warrior (recharge prowess) and the other best be arriving home when it gets the LBW. (LowBatteryWarning)

I think they'll catch more traction when the entry level choices are priced competitively with a Honda Civic/Toyota Corolla, yet have current level battery management (thermal and charging) found on the higher end EV's.

The current Chevy Bolt is technologically a fantastic example. (too bad it's trying to look so EV, although the EUV version actually looks fairly traditional)

I would love something like the Ford Maverick with the EV package from the current 2023 Bolt. Give me XLT trim at 27K MSRP?

 

[air2mag]

My son has had his Maverick a little over a year. He averages 40 miles a gallon mixed driving. It’s been problem free for him. I could see it selling pretty well with a full EV option.

 

[Snakebitten]

^^^

It would be an awesome platform for a ~200 mile range entry level super versatile EV.

Bare bones trim (XL Pro) ~$25k
XLT (301A) starting around 27K
And let the over $30K-40K folks have one dolled up to their delight.

 

[powerboatr]

My son has had his Maverick a little over a year. He averages 40 miles a gallon mixed driving. It’s been problem free for him. I could see it selling pretty well with a full EV option.

when my parents hybrid mav is running top notch...he gets close to 40 most speeds
but mom drives 75 plus so it tapers off
i used it one day to ferry them around and i like the AC is on and nice and cold and the ice is OFF
i played with the regen braking coach.. but its tooooo small for my svelte frame long term

 

[air2mag]

Yea, I’m not giving up my full size Platinum for one, but it would be a nice compliment to my f150.

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