First of Many electric vehcile woe stories?

[SemperVee]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technol...y-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

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[Mszczewski]

So let me get this right:

• He bought an electric vehicle and didn't research to know that in order to fill it up quickly, he needed a charger. (He could slow charge overnight with an extension cord)
• So he bought two chargers, one for his house and one for his office. Then whined about the cost of that decision.
• He then also whined about the cost of the installation of those chargers.
• Then he "planned" a 1400-mile road trip with a vehicle range of 300ish miles and complained that filling up his vehicle took time and money.
• Then when some public infrastructure was broken, and no one was there at the snap of his fingers to fix it, complained about that too?

What a privileged, incompetent, whiney child. I'm dumber for having read that article.

 

[SemperVee]

Dealing with the public, guess it is all their prospective but reality none the less.

 

[scott011422]

That was just a scab piece for clicks. Unless your rich, or stupid, I would think the first thing you would do is a cost comparison between whatever EV you were interested in and its ICE equivalent. Charging costs at home vs public chargers, Public charger locations, the charging strategies you were going to use. Where you wanted to go vs local charging infrastructure. I know I did months of research before we ordered our Lightning. And FYI, There was alot we wouldn't be able to do because of lack of public chargers.

As far a the trip, Would have been no different if the gas stations were down. It happens. The bigger picture here is the poor state of alot of these chargers. They are put in and more or less abandoned. As much as everyone hates when big brother steps in, Some legislation here may be warranted.

I ended up cancelling mine because they kept upping the price, But even with all of this, Still would have bought one. Love love Love my PowerBoost, But that lighting is pretty nice too.

 

[powerboatr]

i have seen MANY MANY evs on the CHARGER at bucc ees ...many look like the drivers spent the night in the car... i bet lot lizards will pick up that and BOOM a new subsidiary of the old business will appear
i am thinking have a big bus with at least 6 beds in lock rooms like in airports, drive up and charge a fee for a BED to hmm sleep while you car charges ,
let see 6 ladies, one bouncer/driver and we are rolling in the dough

yes i was outside the box for a minute
my mind gets twisted every now and then

 

[crazywayne311]

my brother sent me that article. like @Mszczewski said, dude is obviously dense as hell. road trip in an EV and you didnt expect any problems?!

guess hes never heard of rolling black outs and that stuff that happened in texas? our electrical grid is not only antiquated but inadequate for EV's to be set free.

then again i'm in power generation soooo

 

[HammaMan]

Don't feed the corporate presstitutes. This message has been brought to you by pfizer.

Big oil went after nuclear like mad and look where that got us. Their propaganda division will do the same for EVs. Which with their numerous faults, are still the best option for an overwhelming number of vehicle owners. One would even be foolish to not have an EV in a 2 vehicle household today. Once the charging infrastructure gets better as well as battery tech / charging time, it'll be a whole lot easier to transition completely.

The idea of being able to literally free your mobility from countries and companies that hate you by charging via the sun is really priceless. Some will try and sell others on it being "green", which it is not. What it is however is being smart. Gas doubling or tripling (again) will have little impact on your ability to move about. It'll still raise the cost of other goods, but you can literally operate a vehicle on sunshine. Crazy

 

[Jimi]

So let me get this right:

• He bought an electric vehicle and didn't research to know that in order to fill it up quickly, he needed a charger. (He could slow charge overnight with an extension cord)
• So he bought two chargers, one for his house and one for his office. Then whined about the cost of that decision.
• He then also whined about the cost of the installation of those chargers.
• Then he "planned" a 1400-mile road trip with a vehicle range of 300ish miles and complained that filling up his vehicle took time and money.
• Then when some public infrastructure was broken, and no one was there at the snap of his fingers to fix it, complained about that too?

What a privileged, incompetent, whiney child. I'm dumber for having read that article.

I'm glad I read your response first.

 

[ColoradoHunter]

Don't feed the corporate presstitutes. This message has been brought to you by pfizer.

Big oil went after nuclear like mad and look where that got us. Their propaganda division will do the same for EVs. Which with their numerous faults, are still the best option for an overwhelming number of vehicle owners. One would even be foolish to not have an EV in a 2 vehicle household today. Once the charging infrastructure gets better as well as battery tech / charging time, it'll be a whole lot easier to transition completely.

The idea of being able to literally free your mobility from countries and companies that hate you by charging via the sun is really priceless. Some will try and sell others on it being "green", which it is not. What it is however is being smart. Gas doubling or tripling (again) will have little impact on your ability to move about. It'll still raise the cost of other goods, but you can literally operate a vehicle on sunshine. Crazy

I guess I'm the unicorn. 2 vehicles, both of us retired. I have an F-150 PB used mostly for hunting, towing and trips, averaging about 8000 miles a year. My wife has a 2013 Subaru Impreza with a massive 14K miles on it in 10 years used for around town. We can run her car till the day we are both gone from this earth. The nearest charger, and town, is 40 miles from my hunting area. To top it off I'm in an older home that has limited electrical service so I could see adding a decent charger would be fairly costly. I can't see any scenario that it makes sense to replace either vehicle with an EV. EV does NOT work for everyone and probably never will.

 

[GregBC]

EV does NOT work for everyone and probably never will.

very true. I really wish all sides of the spectrum would see this/openly admit it/work towards a reasonable and realistic future.

I feel like many folks look at their own circumstances and project that as to why EV’s are good/bad for EVERYONE. But the reality is always more shades of gray. I’ve no doubt EV’s are the best answer for a MAJORITY of folks, thinking of all the places I’ve lived with daily commutes, traffic, single-family-homes, garages… But there’s so many other circumstance where the challenges remain (eg, most of the new housing in my area are condo/apartments, so that alone adds challenges to charging infrastructure/hurdles for new EV owners).

I would LOVE to have an EV and hope it’ll be our next car. But the new F150 has set us back a bit and we need the 2004 Element to keep ticking for a few years…

This article reminds me of some YT vids I recently saw on the Lightning. I shook my head at the complaints/comments, like cmon folks,did you not research ANYTHING before purchasing this vehicle??? A few minutes if research convince me it wasn’t the right vehicle for my family now, so moved on to other options.

 

[powerboatr]

I guess I'm the unicorn. 2 vehicles, both of us retired. I have an F-150 PB used mostly for hunting, towing and trips, averaging about 8000 miles a year. My wife has a 2013 Subaru Impreza with a massive 14K miles on it in 10 years used for around town. We can run her car till the day we are both gone from this earth. The nearest charger, and town, is 40 miles from my hunting area. To top it off I'm in an older home that has limited electrical service so I could see adding a decent charger would be fairly costly. I can't see any scenario that it makes sense to replace either vehicle with an EV. EV does NOT work for everyone and probably never will.

you and me both

our power lines are older and our home is 250 amp service
i did math for a mach e or lighting and the power coop said we needed to be 300 amp or add a power pole meter. plus it would require them to add a transformer on the feed pole across street.
we are 7 miles to town and closest charger/s are at the ford dealers. one is 32 miles from home, the other is 27 and the last one is 34.

i would like to see reporters actually report on real HAZARDOUS waste an EV creates, cradle to grave. entire process for batteries, wiring etc on both ice and ev...its shocking.

ev may be great for inner city people. but most of them ride public transportation in large cities.
we need an ALL of the above
ice, hydrogen fuel cells , ev, hybrids (which i think are an excellent alternative) etc . not this non sense we can all be happy in a battery.
congress wanting biden to sue oil companies...where do these people think raw materials for vehicles come from??/ they dont care as they are not affected by the crazy..
yes we have plant based wire insulation
we also have plant based fuel for ice engines as well....but you dont hear about the,.

 

[HammaMan]

our power lines are older and our home is 250 amp service
i did math for a mach e or lighting and the power coop said we needed to be 300 amp or add a power pole meter. plus it would require them to add a transformer on the feed pole across street.
we are 7 miles to town and closest charger/s are at the ford dealers. one is 32 miles from home, the other is 27 and the last one is 34.

There's some rather inaccurate info right there that you've been led to believe. EV batt sizes range from 60 to 131kWh usable. A 40a EVSE will provide 9.6kWh worth of charge using a 50a breaker. This is what an electric range uses, less than the heating coils for an old resistance style HVAC . It can also be set to charge at any time, overnight is common 10 or 11 till 7 or 8 in the morning. For context the powerboost can run a 30a EVSE. Your 250a service can EASILY support an EV, and anyone saying otherwise is blowing smoke up your rear. (The EVSE is the device that takes the power from the building to the vehicle - some mistake them for chargers but they're not, they simply take the split phase AC and deliver it to the vehicle)

8 hours on a 40a EVSE in a lightning is 144 miles range. Let's say you only want to use the 32a option instead on a 40a breaker, that's something you can run 12hrs a day picking up ~190 miles per charge, which is about the same as running the 40a for 10 hours which should be really easy on a 250a service. Multiply the stated ranges by 1.5 and you have an easy compact SUV like the mach-e. I run a 40a at the office EVSE on a 200a panel with 2 heat pumps each on a 50a breaker. While charging the EV w/ both ACs set to 71 degrees the 30 minute average is a whopping 14kW. The building is 3ksqft on that panel. The 32a option is great for 125a services or 150a on older homes. This whole concept of needing some huge power reserve just because something that pulls dryer to stove level current is just poo.

When I charge the MME at 40a, it's often once a week for a few hours, 40-50% up to 90% in under 5 hours.

 

[SumGuy]

Don't feed the corporate presstitutes. This message has been brought to you by pfizer.

Big oil went after nuclear like mad and look where that got us. Their propaganda division will do the same for EVs. Which with their numerous faults, are still the best option for an overwhelming number of vehicle owners. One would even be foolish to not have an EV in a 2 vehicle household today. Once the charging infrastructure gets better as well as battery tech / charging time, it'll be a whole lot easier to transition completely.

The idea of being able to literally free your mobility from countries and companies that hate you by charging via the sun is really priceless. Some will try and sell others on it being "green", which it is not. What it is however is being smart. Gas doubling or tripling (again) will have little impact on your ability to move about. It'll still raise the cost of other goods, but you can literally operate a vehicle on sunshine. Crazy

That is your take, and that’s fine, but an EV doesn’t work for everyone.

it doesn’t work for us.

 

[powerboatr]

There's some rather inaccurate info right there that you've been led to believe. EV batt sizes range from 60 to 131kWh usable. A 40a EVSE will provide 9.6kWh worth of charge using a 50a breaker. This is what an electric range uses, less than the heating coils for an old resistance style HVAC . It can also be set to charge at any time, overnight is common 10 or 11 till 7 or 8 in the morning. For context the powerboost can run a 30a EVSE. Your 250a service can EASILY support an EV, and anyone saying otherwise is blowing smoke up your rear. (The EVSE is the device that takes the power from the building to the vehicle - some mistake them for chargers but they're not, they simply take the split phase AC and deliver it to the vehicle)

8 hours on a 40a EVSE in a lightning is 144 miles range. Let's say you only want to use the 32a option instead on a 40a breaker, that's something you can run 12hrs a day picking up ~190 miles per charge, which is about the same as running the 40a for 10 hours which should be really easy on a 250a service. Multiply the stated ranges by 1.5 and you have an easy compact SUV like the mach-e. I run a 40a at the office EVSE on a 200a panel with 2 heat pumps each on a 50a breaker. While charging the EV w/ both ACs set to 71 degrees the 30 minute average is a whopping 14kW. The building is 3ksqft on that panel. The 32a option is great for 125a services or 150a on older homes. This whole concept of needing some huge power reserve just because something that pulls dryer to stove level current is just poo.

When I charge the MME at 40a, it's often once a week for a few hours, 40-50% up to 90% in under 5 hours.

thanks
i had no idea. i was going on what the coop told us when we looked at adding the 40 amp home charger. their site survey came up with new panel or new service I.E. pole, meter and new underground to the charger. interesting.
now i wonder if they were looking at 80% rule for space in breaker box ?
appreciate the data

 

[GoodSam]

80% rule for space in breaker box ?

Not sure of any 80% rule for space in a Main Panel. I think the 80% rule is the amount of continuous load you can put on a circuit breaker. So for a 50A circuit breaker, one can only go up to a 40A EVSE (electric vehicle service equipment, usually just a on-off relay talking to the vehicle).

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