Cummins fined $1 Billion, Ram recalls 1M trucks [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[JExpedition07]

Cummins and Stellantis have been busted for using defeat devices for emissions from 2013 to current on 2500 and 3500 series trucks. I have been saying this for a while, Diesel is going away all together in consumer trucks very soon. The mandated (by law) reflash will sap diesel owners of horsepower and torque they paid for to bring it into compliance.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...out-204-bln-charge-fourth-quarter-2023-12-22/

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[RickBullotta]

"The company has seen no evidence that anyone acted in bad faith and does not admit wrongdoing" LOL. I see about $2 billion reasons that's not true.

 

[LCF]

#makedeleteslegalagain

funny how the company I work for ….largest heavy highway contractor in NJ … just bought several ZERO EMISSIONS EQUIPT pieces of machinery…. oh…they all had plaques in the engine compartment that stated they were built for the US gov’t….. These machines run a minimum of 8 hours a day , sometimes 24 hours a day, for day and night crews … several days a week.

 

[dolsen]

Hmm, I’d be curious to see what exactly the emissions limits are vs what Cummins engines were actually putting out.

I’ll never forget when VW got caught using special software for emissions testing, the founding researcher stated that VW diesels were putting out 40x the legal limit of (whatever specific emission was being scrutinized). BUT the same researcher that discovered this said the legal limit of emissions is so low, that even at 40x the legal limit, the amount of emissions was still (essentially) zero.

 

[dolsen]

#makedeleteslegalagain

funny how the company I work for ….largest heavy highway contractor in NJ … just bought several ZERO EMISSIONS EQUIPT pieces of machinery…. oh…they all had plaques in the engine compartment that stated they were built for the US gov’t….. These machines run a minimum of 8 hours a day , sometimes 24 hours a day, for day and night crews … several days a week.

I’m working on a massive construction site right now building an automotive battery plant. The amount of diesel fuel burned here on a daily basis would make people’s heads explode. I don’t know the actual amount of fuel used, but you can’t convince me it’s less than 10,000 gallons per day on this site, based on how much heavy equipment is used. That’s a lot of emissions being created building batteries for zero emissions vehicles. Almost like the batteries will (probably) never offset those emissions

 

[BUDXR7]

I’m working on a massive construction site right now building an automotive battery plant. The amount of diesel fuel burned here on a daily basis would make people’s heads explode. I don’t know the actual amount of fuel used, but you can’t convince me it’s less than 10,000 gallons per day on this site, based on how much heavy equipment is used. That’s a lot of emissions being created building batteries for zero emissions vehicles. Almost like the batteries will (probably) never offset those emissions

This reminds me of the (I think is Kansas maybe?) the battery plant being built that has a co-located coal power plant because it takes so much energy to produce the batteries. Lol.

 

[JJSnell]

.... coal power plant because it takes so much energy to produce the batteries. Lol.

I'm sure I'm getting coal for Christmas again this year.
I'm going to give all my coal to the plants so they can power Teslas and other EVs... Y'know, to help the environment...

 

[darkhorse]

I had a VW Jetta Wagon, with the TDI engine and DCT transmission. I loved that car... and amazing, I towed a lot with it. I reluctantly took VW's recall buyback offer.

 

[fordtruckman2003]

It's all in the interest of saving money on each vehicle rolling off the line. Extra parts to make them emissions compliant would quickly add to cost of each vehicle.

Doesn't help diesel reputation when we have the people forcing trucks to make a bunch of black smoke "because it looks cool." It really isn't as dirty as people might think when proper emission controls are in place.

 

[SumGuy]

Hmm, I’d be curious to see what exactly the emissions limits are vs what Cummins engines were actually putting out.

I’ll never forget when VW got caught using special software for emissions testing, the founding researcher stated that VW diesels were putting out 40x the legal limit of (whatever specific emission was being scrutinized). BUT the same researcher that discovered this said the legal limit of emissions is so low, that even at 40x the legal limit, the amount of emissions was still (essentially) zero.

Exactly the issue. The admin agencies have set the thresholds so artificially low that they are impossible to meet.

 

[JExpedition07]

Caterpillar stopped making road going engines because they stated the return on investment was not there, and the risk/reward ratio was not favorable with the newer regulations.

 

[Eighthtry]

The positive to being a bad boy and getting coal in my stocking is that it can be ground up and mixed with gasoline for a real boost. Then one can add a K&N filter for another 50 hp ad 100 ft/lbs of torque.

 

[parkerdog]

Speaking of coal, my dad worked for a strip mine here in central IL up till the early eighties when they shut it down.

I was always confused about the fact that the grade of coal they mined couldn't be burned here in Illinois but it was OK to ship it by train to other power plants out west for them to burn.

We all still use the same air right??? Must be a filter installed or something? Maybe that's what the Mississippi river is for?

 

[Chili]

They had a lot of issues with the Ecodiesel as well a d the update stripped it of power and drivability.

I am 100% sure they knew they were skirting some rules and some gray area. Not sure where GM and Ford land with their diesels but even before Stellantis, Ram was a big offender and the Ford / GM non compliances were far smaller.

 

[powerboatr]

#makedeleteslegalagain

funny how the company I work for ….largest heavy highway contractor in NJ … just bought several ZERO EMISSIONS EQUIPT pieces of machinery…. oh…they all had plaques in the engine compartment that stated they were built for the US gov’t….. These machines run a minimum of 8 hours a day , sometimes 24 hours a day, for day and night crews … several days a week.

yes isn't that weird
US govt can spew but we get DPFS

i would really like to know how, what and when with these engines.

did they tweak something to be right on the edge of permissible, and then they spew to much after on hour?
the dpf, scr stuff is touchy and IMO not really needed with other ways to reduce the soot crime

did you know when water is sprayed down stream of the exhaust but still in the HOT zone, it cleans the dpf and eliminates the DEF fluid... costs about 20 cents a gallon or less
its mixed with low percent of methanol
but thats a whole nuther discussion


i really want to know what was defeated at cummins and or all the gory details.

its seems very very ODD indeed

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