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When I change oil, AmsOil, it costs me ~$80 Plus filter ~$15... When I do a sample at 3,000 mi it costs me ~$30... I have not set out to save money by analysis instead of oil changes... but here's the math: ~$65 saving at 3,000 miles; ~$130 saving at 6,000 mi; ~$195 savings at 9,000 mi. You get the idea... My idea is simply does the oil remain serviceable when sampled, if it does why change it. For those who may wonder... I spent a career in nuclear subs, been a chief engineer on one, been the CO of a major sub repair facility... The Navy saying is "you can take the boy out of the engineroom, but you can't take the engineroom out of the boy." So if you want to come at me over this, guilty as charged... :)
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When I change oil, AmsOil, it costs me ~$80 Plus filter ~$15... When I do a sample at 3,000 mi it costs me ~$30... I have not set out to save money by analysis instead of oil changes... but here's the math: ~$65 saving at 3,000 miles; ~$130 saving at 6,000 mi; ~$195 savings at 9,000 mi. You get the idea... My idea is simply does the oil remain serviceable when sampled, if it does why change it. For those who may wonder... I spent a career in nuclear subs, been a chief engineer on one, been the CO of a major sub repair facility... The Navy saying is "you can take the boy out of the engineroom, but you can't take the engineroom out of the boy." So if you want to come at me over this, guilty as charged... :)
PS It also costs a little to dispose of the used oil, couple bucks a gallon out my way. In some places like Denver, where I visit my son, most car parts stores will take the oil for free. Either way, effectively you also reduce your oily waste stream.
 

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Ok, I'm about to put over 1,200 miles on my truck sooner than expected. I need to change the oil for the first time before I go, so it's Motorcraft full synthetic 5w-30 and a Motorcraft FL-500S oil filter.

Funny how I was planning on Amzoil and then life happens. It's still a quality oil I think. Heck the fact I've gone 4700 miles on my break-in oil would freak some people out.

Like Dalton said in Road House "Opinions vary." :cool:
 

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So... how do you take a sample of oil every 3,000 miles without dumping the whole pan? Well, one way is to be really quick about things... Or just barely keep the drain plug in the pan while the sample bottle fills slowly... Or, having put in the bypass oil filter, you install a sample valve. The pictures show my recent install. You need an Earl's (or other make) gage adaptor, in my case a -04 AN with a 1/8" NPT port in it. Then you need a valve. None of the aluminum oil fitting companies make one so I got one from NAPA. Then you hold your sample bottle under the valve outlet port, open the valve, fill up the bottle & shut the valve. Take samples at the mileage you like.

Ford F-150 PowerBoost UOA Kirkland 5W-30 @ 9,900 mi -- Blackstone Oil Analysis Report IMG_6640
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You can upload your self-service maintenance with receipts using FordPass or the Ford website in a browser.

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From what I can tell none of those records show up anywhere else. Not to dealers or to future owners. I tried to print my history for my last truck but it wouldn't work. That's an option on ford.com buggy website but it wouldn't print out more than two entries.
 

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From what I can tell none of those records show up anywhere else. Not to dealers or to future owners. I tried to print my history for my last truck but it wouldn't work. That's an option on ford.com buggy website but it wouldn't print out more than two entries.
That would be odd that the records are hosted in/on Motorcraft servers, yet PTS/Oasis wouldn't have access.

There's also a procedure for transferring the records to the next owner. Obviously I don't know if it functions properly, but it is implied.

Ford F-150 PowerBoost UOA Kirkland 5W-30 @ 9,900 mi -- Blackstone Oil Analysis Report Screenshot_20230617_152001_FordPass
 
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As mentioned earlier in the thread, I pulled a sample after ~5k miles and sent it out for analysis. I just got the results back this afternoon. The weekend before the sample, I had a lot of extended drive time, and just before taking the sample, I was very cautious when pulling into the driveway to keep it in full electric mode. Fuel dilution went from above Blackstone's recommendations to nothing. Viscosity is very similar to the initial sample, so I'm not concerned about it really.

I still don't see why anyone would run 5k oil changes unless you're doing a lot of heavy towing or a lot of dusty/off-road driving. My results indicate to me that a 10k mi OCI is perfectly fine and could likely be extended further. I was looking at a better filter than the FL-500S recently, but I'm not sure if I'll pull the trigger on using one yet.

Ford F-150 PowerBoost UOA Kirkland 5W-30 @ 9,900 mi -- Blackstone Oil Analysis Report Screenshot (2)
 

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On another vehicle some years ago, I set out to let the oil sample results tell me when to change. I sampled every 3,000 miles. I got out to 21,000 miles on oil when I decided that enough was enough... So what do you watch? First keep your eyes on wear metals, they ought to just perk along, but if they start a trend... You get the idea. Then I think TBN. That measures the ability of the additive package to neutralize bad stuff (face it, combustion produces some stuff not so good for the internals of your engine). Then viscosity/fuel dilution. And finally silicon, as in if an air filter starts losing it, you'll see that in silicon. Change the air filter, since that's what's letting it in, and then change oil since that silicon stuff can be quite abrasive...
 

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For me, I guess ignorance is bliss. I just have my oil changed at 5K and call it a day. I have just under 15K miles on it now, and half or more of that is towing.
 

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For me, I guess ignorance is bliss. I just have my oil changed at 5K and call it a day. I have just under 15K miles on it now, and half or more of that is towing.
I wouldn't call it ignorance. I've remarked that what your "life of the truck goal" is makes a difference. If you want to get to the next trade in, that works just fine, no sweat. On the other hand there are those that want it to last well beyond a trade in and maybe out to several hundred thousand miles (I did that with a Suburban and heped get three kids thru college). There are ways to do that. So, pick your poison and enjoy the truck.
 

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I wouldn't call it ignorance. I've remarked that what your "life of the truck goal" is makes a difference. If you want to get to the next trade in, that works just fine, no sweat. On the other hand there are those that want it to last well beyond a trade in and maybe out to several hundred thousand miles (I did that with a Suburban and heped get three kids thru college). There are ways to do that. So, pick your poison and enjoy the truck.
Unless something bad happens, this is my last "full sized" truck. I use it to pull my travel trailer about half the miles on it. At 75, I have no idea how much longer I will want to be in the "travel trailer' pulling business. I do not expect it to be 100,000 miles out. I will say, it'd be great if I did though.

At some point I will either get out completely, or drop down to a class B size. At that point I will go down to a compact Maverick sized truck.
 

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Unless something bad happens, this is my last "full sized" truck. I use it to pull my travel trailer about half the miles on it. At 75, I have no idea how much longer I will want to be in the "travel trailer' pulling business. I do not expect it to be 100,000 miles out. I will say, it'd be great if I did though.

At some point I will either get out completely, or drop down to a class B size. At that point I will go down to a compact Maverick sized truck.
Well here’s to hoping you get to go 200,000!
 

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Don't expect the oil analysis businesses to tell you but for the new motor oils introduced in 2017 the oil analysis it completely worthless. Millions of man hours went into the design and testing of engines designed to use lower viscosiity motor oil and the same is true for the multi-billion dollar oil companies.

Fleet operators have oil analysis done for their trucks with diesel engines where their operating environment is quite different and where raw diesel can get past the rings and inside the crankcase but their focus is in large part in maximizing oil change intervals was when an oil change is being done that vehicle is out of service for a day and that is the cost they want to minimize.

Unless you want to change the oil at greater intervals the oil testing is a waste of money.
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