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Didn’t see it mentioned here, and I’m by no means an expert, nor have a I experienced this, but I believe there is a well known issue with the rear axle nuts sheering off on the max tow package. I see that on your sticker. Not sure if ford has resolved it. Be forewarned.
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Well since you asked... here's my story ... but I will preface it with pls don't let my story stop you from buying this truck you love. Yours could end up not having a single problem. My truck is a beauty but for $70k (used) should not have any issues much less this amount. And, honestly, I don't think there is any consistency whatsoever to the issues....we all have issues of some kind and all random from 21-23 I see on here all the time.

Bought a 21 5.0 Platinum with 15k miles Oct 2022 and in the year I've owned it, I feel like it's been at a Ford dealership longer than in my driveway. Had truck totally die 3 weeks after purchase...apparently someone put a non-Ford battery in it and I bought it like that and that battery wasn't capable of the carrying the load for the truck. Had it towed to a dealer, and luckily they fixed within 24 hours. Had to pay out-of-pocket because it wasn't a Ford battery, but Carmax reimbursed me though. A week or so later, a/c evap coil went out and I had to wait a month for an appt. I can't imagine if it was summertime in Georgia when it went out! They had to take my beautiful Carmelo leather seats out so I was mortified they would scratch them, then had to take off entire dash. They had it for 3 weeks just to fix that! (Found a random screw rolling around in floorboard, so they forgot a screw somewhere while putting dash back or seats back together.) Then, they said since we already have the truck here do you want us to install the BC modules and I said okay. Well, that took a week because modules kept "failing."

So, they had it for a month to fix a/c and install BC. I barely got my truck back in time to leave for NC for Christmas - 12/22. Left 12/23 for NC and the entire ride (6 hours), the interior lights flashed off and on. Tried to unload Christmas presents that night, found that the bed lights quit working. Then truck alarm went off Xmas Eve morning at 3am, so the neighbors were not happy. We have cameras and not even a month flew by so no idea what happened there. Lol. Dealer said "we have no idea what could have caused any if that as all we did was install BlueCruise and fix evap coil, said he would ask service techs and call me back and never heard from him again.

Got back from NC in Jan 23 to fix interior and cargo lights and that same dealer said he was now booked out til June 23. I said really? This happened within 24 hours of picking it up from yall after you had it for a month! I'm back from Christmas break and cannot wait 6 months to fix. My battery will constantly die if these lights don'ts top flashing. I found another dealer with an appointment in a few weeks but they were almost 2 hours away. They ended up replacing BCM 2x over another 2 months. Also, Ford-branded retractable cover had been leaking since I bought it...first dealer said nothing wrong with it, this dealer got Ford to replace the retractable cover, though it still leaks in same spot (right rear corner) but not as bad. Also, mentioned rear speaker(s) crackling, but they said it's normal. It's worse now. I also have driver door rattle. And then the 3 recalls issued in 12 months with only 1 having just been fixed a few weeks ago (wipers and wiper motors). Had "temp fix" performed on involuntary parking brake engaging at same time. Since then, the parking brake still engages on its own, more than it did before the "temp fix." So I have an appt to look at that on 12/11. And another appt Jan 2024 for rear speaker, column shifter, and possible throttle body cleaning/issue due to major lag in acceleration and hesitation while going through the 10 speeds. So, again, since you asked...there's my horror story. I would suggest buying the extended warranty but not from dealer during purchase....buy from online Ford dealer like Granger, Ziegler, Flood Ford. You will need it eventually, cheaper to buy now than later. ;) But, somehow, I still love my 5.0 truck, I lovingly call Linda (or Pearl when she's not pms'ing LOL) -- she's star white metallic.
Was your truck struck by lightning? Good god man, what a basket case. I woulda torched that thing in the carmax parking lot by now.
 
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well i am happy to say i pulled the trigger. we got it down to $60,456 OTD including everything, with an msrp of just over $64k. i feel that is a fair deal which is right around $8,750 off MSRP.

so my next dilemma is do i have them ship me the truck through my guy for $1,200 or do i fly in and drive it back 800 miles? flight and fuel will be $450-500.

thank you for the time each of you took to reply.
 

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well i am happy to say i pulled the trigger. we got it down to $60,456 OTD including everything, with an msrp of just over $64k. i feel that is a fair deal which is right around $8,750 off MSRP.

so my next dilemma is do i have them ship me the truck through my guy for $1,200 or do i fly in and drive it back 800 miles? flight and fuel will be $450-500.

thank you for the time each of you took to reply.
Just ship it. (My 2-cents)

The wait will soon enough be a distant memory.

BUT... Please do come back & post your thoughts on the Gen14 5.0 -vs- the ones you're used to.
I'm interested to hear what you think.
 

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Good Choice. Beautiful Truck woth good price.
I'd hit it. I have a 22 Lariat, 5.0 that's been mechanically flawless so far at 24k miles.
It did have a paint flaw on the back of the cab that got missed by everyone but my wife.
Dealer corrected it. Love the truck.. Enjoy yours...
 

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3300 miles on my '23 PB Platinum in about 60 days of ownership. Overall it's a really nice platform. That's said, there are some QC issues that are needing to be rectified, including a paint blister on the roof and the typical "Platinum Plate Warp" on the tailgate. Dealer didn't blink an eye and their body shop said they had at least 10 other '22/'23 F150s in for paint issues as well.

Frustrating for sure, but not a deal breaker at all.

The truck drives very nicely though the handling is a bit below the 2020 Ram Limited I came out of. The power train is just light years ahead of that same Ram, and the gas mileage improvement is close to 40%.

I'm pretty happy with my purchase and plan to keep it for at least 5 years, which is pretty rare for me.

Fingers crossed...
 

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well i am happy to say i pulled the trigger. we got it down to $60,456 OTD including everything, with an msrp of just over $64k. i feel that is a fair deal which is right around $8,750 off MSRP.

so my next dilemma is do i have them ship me the truck through my guy for $1,200 or do i fly in and drive it back 800 miles? flight and fuel will be $450-500.

thank you for the time each of you took to reply.
I'd go get it....be fun road trip in your brand new ride
 

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I have a post-Covid truck. It is a 3.5L EB (not 5.0). I drive a ton. I'm already over 30k miles. The only work done has been mods and routine maintenance. The truck has performed flawlessly.

I think that a lot of the noise about quality issues stems from the Hybrid Powerboost. It is a far more complicated system than the 5.0L or the traditional Ecoboost engines like the 3.5L or the 2.7L. I just read some article that the most reliable truck engines in 2023 were the 3.5L Toyota and the 5.0L Coyote. The 3.5L was on the list as well.

I think that the Powerboost is kinda creating this narrative of quality control issues as CR named it the least reliable engine platform (I believe that CR gave it a 1 out of 5 in predicted reliability). That being said, it sounds to me that there are a lot of lemons when it comes to the PB. It is such an engineered platform that if one system is flawed it is going to foul it all up. That may be true of the non-hybrid platforms as well, but the primary difference is that the service techs actually understand the issues and correct them. Whereas in a PB I feel that engage in an endless loop of process of elimination on codes and faults, clearing them without ever discovering the underlying issue. So, you end up back in the service bay. I think when you truly dive into the "quality" issues, most of them have been related to the Powerboost's run of bad press.

Note, I am not anti-PB, in fact I have one on order right now. I am hoping that after three full years, Ford's engineers have worked out the kinks and that Ford's service departments have finally educated themselves on the hybrid platform. Not to mention so many of our fellow forum members have had great experiences. I value their opinions as much or more than the CR or Motor Trend writer. To me, the amazing tech and engineering is worth the risk and I will get the Ford ESP to cover myself.

As for you, just try and remember you are looking at a 5.0L, which is a legacy engine for Ford. They haven't forgot how to build them and by all accounts they build them well. I know that my truck is rock solid. If I wanted to take it to 150k or beyond, I have no doubt it would do it easily.
 
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we made it! the rake is a little much with the max tow, but i will level it eventually. really happy with the truck. everything has been flawless, right now it’s at 800 miles after the trip. she was broken in the way i would do my track cars, cheers to a long life for this coyote. i will post another thread with more pictures. thank you all so much. this thing absolutely rips with the 5.0/10r and 3.73, it really surprises me 1-5 at WOT.
 

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we made it! the rake is a little much with the max tow, but i will level it eventually. really happy with the truck. everything has been flawless, right now it’s at 800 miles after the trip. she was broken in the way i would do my track cars, cheers to a long life for this coyote. i will post another thread with more pictures. thank you all so much. this thing absolutely rips with the 5.0/10r and 3.73, it really surprises me 1-5 at WOT.
I have a 21 SuperCab 8’box.
4x4, 5.0, 3.31
Quite zippy when I’m feeling spirited.
But if you want a real surprise, that trip from 40-90 happens real quick as well.
It will hit 106 with no effort at all, and it don’t take long to get there.
 

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..she was broken in the way i would do my track cars...

That's how I do all my new vehicles, regardless of what the manuel says.
That's 10+ vehicles, mixed brands over 30+ years.
Not an oil burner in the bunch. I'm @ 255k miles on the last one.
 

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so i’ve been around fords a lot, i have had 4 03/04 Cobras, 01 Cobra, a few SN95 Cobras, a few S197 Coyotes, and a pair of S550’s. some big power and some stock. i am very familiar with vehicles and am not afraid of a little DIY.

the truck i am looking at buying is a 2023 Atlas blue just like this picture. i have only bought one new vehicle and i loved it (s550). it was nice being the first person to wash/turn a wrench/etc on the car.

my concern is post-COVID quality and the complaints i see.

AC going out and dash needing to be pulled
Transmission being a pain in the ass
Paint or rust issues
General lack of QC.

$60k out the door with everything. how is that price? $54,500 before taxes and fees. we are at $550 a month roughly with $35k down for 48 months at 2.9%.

i want the truck, it’s beautiful and i love the coyote. all of the issues i see scare me into wanting to buy another older diesel for $20-30k that will be reliable (i come from a cummins that needed nothing, and a few duramax trucks).

any opinions and critiques are appreciated

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Hi, I bought a 22 3.5 litre new last November and really like the truck. The biggest downside for me is the battery. If you don’t drive it much, the ford battery can be easily drained. The dealer replaced our battery after 12 months . The battery started to I to sleep mode several times and tested just below 50%. I think this is a quality issue to look at.
 

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Others might read this post, so I will add to the list. I have owned Ford for 40+ years, and I will not buy another. I purchased a 22 KR, 5.0. I have 28,500 miles.

The first thing I would do to get an objective look is to see where Ford ranks for Recalls. For the past 3 years, 21, 22, and 23 Ford has had the most recalls of any manufacturer, and it is significantly more than GM and Stellantis. I am on my third battery 19 months. I suspect that Ford did not spec the alternator correctly and it is undersized. This prevents OTA updates as the unit is powered down to save the battery. I have problems with the eBrake engaging while driving, and I have to keep more than 1/4 tank of gas in my 36 gal tank. If I park on an incline, it will not start - bad design of baffles or sump.

My biggest complaints are related to engineering. Some stuff is just plain stupid. Check out the procedures to rotate your tires. Do you really expect me to deflate, reinflate blah blah blah? It must be a 20 step procedure, instead of just driving an the ecu relearns.

I have had several times (less than 5) had the electronics reset WHILE I WAS DRIVING at highway speeds. The last time it shot out a loud buzzing sound, killed the screen and reset my driving aides, like Adaptive Cruise and Lane Centering. I believe this was related to Power Up upgrades, as I was notified the next start up.

Adaptive Cruise is DANGEROUS when I set to read speed limit signs. While a good feature, there seem to be some programming that overrides actual data. We have found that if there has been previous construction, with reduced speeds, these lower speeds are still active even if there are NO Speed limit signs. So driving 80 mph, it will pull a previous 40 mph from some data source, and brake to 40 mph! Again, no barrels or signs are present.

Navigation is the worst I have had in any vehicle. I use it frequently, but we have another app open to verify. Ford "Construction" often does not exist. One night it sent us 20 miles of the highway. I swear we were hearing banjos. There was roadwork before a bridge that went over us and it shut down the entire highway.

My wheel lugs were outside the recall, but they do not stay torqued to spec. I use an electronic Snap-On torque wrench, calibrated. They can unload within 10 miles from my shop.

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But here's some of the more serious problems I have with the 5.0L engine. The first is that this generation has a BELT DRIVEN oil pump. It should be hung on the crankshaft, so when the rotating assy spins, oil is pumping! What happens with the belt wears out or breaks. Catastrophic damage! This is not a dry sump design. Why in the hell would you move the oil pump off the crankn and drive with a belt. And when do you replace it? Owner's manual is very light on maintenance details!

This gen 5.0 is the first iteration with multi cylinder deactivation. I hate it! I cannot get it to kick out/kick up smoothly. It happens quite abruptly. I don't think there is good coordination between downshifts, cylinder reactivation and fuel intake. We're getting 16-17 mpg on the highway. If I drive in Tow/Haul mode, I get comparable mileage. So this is not the 5.0 your familiar with.

You should also be aware that there may be more subscriptions heading your way. 24's with 360 Camera get a 90 day (?) trial period. After that, you pay to use the equipment you purchased. I'm not sure how that effects the 23's, do your homework. My 22 will lose connected Nav. after 3 years. Look for subscriptions to use the Ford app with remote features.

My overall opinion is that Ford has sacrificed the F150 to subsidize EV's. They are losing $40k per EV?! Features on 21 were removed in 22, and 23 lost even more. Ford has continued to fire engineers (over 1k last check), and the problems continue. GM and Stellantis have fewer engineers and fewer recalls. Ford did hire someone this year from Toyota to help with quality. They have reduced SKU's (parts and options), but I have yet to see current recall rates.

I maintain and repair (as in overhaul engines) my vehicles. My gut tells me these trucks are value engineered, and will be a liability after the warranty expires. 2018's have leaking taillights that are not covered under warranty. This is $2,500 for the taillight, and maybe another $2,500 for the electronics it damaged. If Ford is losing $40k per EV, and people won't buy them, I can see why people are having so many issues.

Beware, this is a fanboy sight. Many are pleased with their purchases. Criticism is nullified with antidotes and praise. Some issues are just expected with the brand. I had one guy tell me, Well I haven't had THAT many recalls. He was shocked when I told him that I have had vehicles with NO recalls.

As someone mentioned, be careful with the Max Tow axle. One bold locks the axle assembly in place. It backs out and the axle splines are compromised.

Best of luck to you.
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