NHTSA opens investigation on Fords Bluecruise

[crazywayne311]

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[rugedraw]

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I saw that being posted on the Lightning and Mach E forums earlier today. I used my BC for well over 100 miles yesterday and it worked great.

 

[crazywayne311]

At the end of the day. I feel like it does what it’s supposed to. It’s not full automated driving. It requires very minimal BUT minimal attention from the driver.
I found out recently that if I got even cruise engaged and approach traffic, it slows down and stops. No brake needed! But let me just say I keep my foot near that pedal as I come up on traffic…but it stop without any input from. When traffic goes, I have to hit resume and it will then drive itself back to my set distance to the car in front of it.

 

[rugedraw]

At the end of the day. I feel like it does what it’s supposed to. It’s not full automated driving. It requires very minimal BUT minimal attention from the driver.
I found out recently that if I got even cruise engaged and approach traffic, it slows down and stops. No brake needed! But let me just say I keep my foot near that pedal as I come up on traffic…but it stop without any input from. When traffic goes, I have to hit resume and it will then drive itself back to my set distance to the car in front of it.

You just figured that out? lol

 

[crazywayne311]

YEP

 

[S14suspense]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-bluecruise-probed-regulators-two-132655864.html

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I'm curious what distance the radar Ford uses for these cars is rated to? The next generation BMW X3 is being trotted out now and they're advertising a 300m range on the radar unit. I feel like that's the first time I've seen that stat listed and I'm now wondering what my F-150 has.

 

[powerboatr]

I'm curious what distance the radar Ford uses for these cars is rated to? The next generation BMW X3 is being trotted out now and they're advertising a 300m range on the radar unit. I feel like that's the first time I've seen that stat listed and I'm now wondering what my F-150 has.

me to
i am familiar with that particular road in San Antonio where the mach 3 hit a parked vehicle in the travel lane
its treacherous even in the best of lighting and conditions. lots of reflective light off concrete and weird shadows
almost as bad as 35 in Austin on the lower level of highway

anyway
I dont have BC, but have adative cruise, evasive steering etc.

but the question about range of the radar got me thinking about an issue i noticed in our new explorer with adaptive cruise and differences between my 22 f150. surely both vehicles use the same radar on the front of the vehicle or at least the same parameters???????

THE RANGE or the spot at which the two vehicles decide to slow down as it approaches a vehicle going somewhat slower, say i am doing 70 and vehicle i am closing on is 65- 60 range
the distance setting is set at 2 bars in both the truck and the explorer
the truck will slow or change speed at a more LESS apprehensive (me getting nervous we are about to collide) distance than the explorer, in fact the explorer is still full bore at a point that i get nervous and get my foot ready to brake or my hand ready to cancel cruise

i have ran both vehicles at all four distance settings and the explorer gets me into the nervous zone
in distance 2 and 3 before it takes action to slow.

i have not used distance 1 as i am afraid it might collide or do a panic brake action
the truck is always very smooth in its deceleration and speed change to the point at those speeds its almost imperceptible, it just slows down like you canceled cruise, vice stab the brake
the explorer feels more like you stab the brake and at a much closer distance

i say all this because 300 meter or 400 meters. at 70 its accepted that a vehicle could cover 103 (31 meters)feet per second . 300 meters is a tad over 900 feet. which if a radar sees an abject at 300 meters it has about 9 seconds to make a decision. 9 seconds is a LONG LONG TIME.

but at 300 meters it may SEE the object , but not compute its stationary due to all the other factors.
does the vehicle at 300 meters, start to decide A its not moving, B its moving but its rate is different, or C its looking for an evasive decision at xxx feet of distance?
so if the moving vehicle sees the object at 300 meters (900 feet), what does the software do or how does it do its thing?
curious if the mach e simply didnt pick up the stopped vehicle until TIME ran out, so 100 feet or maybe 200 feet, it was obvious it applied braking action,
imo one little radar on the front fascia cant see everything. its not like a f14 and can track mutliple targets and plot a solution...can it

 

[{tpc}]

At the end of the day. I feel like it does what it’s supposed to. It’s not full automated driving. It requires very minimal BUT minimal attention from the driver.
I found out recently that if I got even cruise engaged and approach traffic, it slows down and stops. No brake needed! But let me just say I keep my foot near that pedal as I come up on traffic…but it stop without any input from. When traffic goes, I have to hit resume and it will then drive itself back to my set distance to the car in front of it.

I don't have bluecruise but with lane centering and adaptive cruise mine does this as well. I really don't use it all that much because my hands are steady enough on the wheel that it nags me lol. So after while I turn centering off usually. It does take a leap of faith that first time to let it slow the truck down all on its own. And i don't recommend trying it while going freeway speeds and approaching slowed/stopped traffic lol.

 

[scott011422]

Its hard to say. They do use the radar coupled with the cameras. But it was dark. Also, How fast were they going?? I doubt that if they were going 90+ MPH that the radar would have stopped the car in time. Thats 132 feet every second. Thats like 2 full semi's. No way

 

[S14suspense]

Its hard to say. They do use the radar coupled with the cameras. But it was dark. Also, How fast were they going?? I doubt that if they were going 90+ MPH that the radar would have stopped the car in time. Thats 132 feet every second. Thats like 2 full semi's. No way

Top speed with bluecruise running is ~80MPH in my truck at least.

 

[scott011422]

Top speed with bluecruise running is ~80MPH in my truck at least.

Good to know. Never been above 78 with my BC on.

 

[rugedraw]

81mph is max. Weird number......I know. Not sure how far along it reads, but any time I use it, I don't need the eye nanny to tell me to watch the road. If I see it feel anything going on while I'm using it where I feel like I should be in control, I take the wheel.

Not sure how far it can detect a vehicle in terms of distance.

 

[coaster57]

Lots of highways here in the western US are posted at 80 MPH but I haven't tried that with BC yet on my 24 F150 (picked it up Saturday) but I will Thursday on the way to Colorado from Idaho. Looking forward to a long trip to see how everything works.

 

[2Lazy2P]

Well, there goes my hope for 1.4 arriving anytime soon. 2024? Nope.

 

[HammaMan]

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Realistically a large target this gen can maybe see at 150m peak IF it's moving (else it's discarded as clutter). HD (aka 4D) radar is seeing large objects beyond 300m, I've seen it paint a moving human out to 260m which is far better than our radars can see, though it was intermittent beyond 230m. 4D radar can see a proud manhole cover (important for object avoidance as the systems progress) and it's seeing everything moving or not. It can measure opening widths and heights as well so for tall vehicles it can be programmed to alert you're not going to fit.

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