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I did a lot of research on Tundras. My buddy has one and it's a fine truck, runs well. That being said, there's an issue that could potentially affect any Tundra's made since 2007, cam shaft oil leak that requires open heart surgery to fix. A huge thread on the Tundra forums about it, looks like Toyota just never bothered to fix it, even in the 2021 model.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/cam-shaft-tower-seal-leaking-please-read.20102/

So that, plus how inefficient it is, plus how relatively ancient its tech is...F-150 all the way.

I can only speak from actual experience , having owned a 2007 Tundra for 12 years, zero issues, two good friends have had their Tundras for about 10 years, also zero issues. All three vehicles operate full time in a harsh climate that sees temperatures below -40 every year. Ford has been plagued with long term issues like cam phasers, which are much, much more common, and that hasn't been fixed, which was why I was hesitant to buy an F-150. But you are correct about ancient tech, that is what finally swayed me. Then again, I expect the 2022 Tundra to be a class leader again, but that will only last a few years, as the next Tundra update will likely be another 10+ years off.
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I can only speak from actual experience , having owned a 2007 Tundra for 12 years, zero issues, two good friends have had their Tundras for about 10 years, also zero issues. All three vehicles operate full time in a harsh climate that sees temperatures below -40 every year. Ford has been plagued with long term issues like cam phasers, which are much, much more common, and that hasn't been fixed, which was why I was hesitant to buy an F-150. But you are correct about ancient tech, that is what finally swayed me. Then again, I expect the 2022 Tundra to be a class leader again, but that will only last a few years, as the next Tundra update will likely be another 10+ years off.
Toyota definitely has quality down.

With their redesign for the 2022 model year, we shall see.

Ford is already messing with their design and adding features to their 2021 trucks to keep it ahead of the curve.
 

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Nice report! Really wondering what Toyota is planning to do with the interior for the 2022 redesign. Will they join the screen wars like Ford (and eventually GM) are?
 

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Soon to be first time Ford owner, when it gets delivered, here. Always drove General Motors or Toyota trucks. Never had a problem with either but never kept any of them more than three years until this last GMC 10years. Switching to the F150 for the Tech/Hybrid and personally think it's a step above those others this year. They will catch up and possible surpass them but I'm buying this year and don't want to wait.
I think you’ll be satisfied. There’s a reason the the Ford F-Series trucks make up nearly 40% of the truck market.
 
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Nice report! Really wondering what Toyota is planning to do with the interior for the 2022 redesign. Will they join the screen wars like Ford (and eventually GM) are?
Thank you! I think they have to. At least a 10” infotainment screen to stay competitive.
 

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Thank you! I think they have to. At least a 10” infotainment screen to stay competitive.
That sounds about right. I have a feeling that when Toyota releases the new Tundra, Nissan will be SCRAMBLING to pull together a redesigned Titan! My point is this: The biggest problem that Japanese truckmakers have is that they simply fail to constantly keep updating their truck portfolio like the way domestic manufacturers like Ford, GM, and Ram do. And when the rest of the competition is continually adding new tech, more innovative features, and fresher designs, you just start to forget about the older trucks after a while. Just look at the current Nissan Frontier. That thing is so old most people have probably forgotten about it at this point.
 

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Soon to be first time Ford owner, when it gets delivered, here. Always drove General Motors or Toyota trucks. Never had a problem with either but never kept any of them more than three years until this last GMC 10years. Switching to the F150 for the Tech/Hybrid and personally think it's a step above those others this year. They will catch up and possible surpass them but I'm buying this year and don't want to wait.
I saw a 2021 Platinum Rapid Red at the bank today. Gorgeous truck! You're gonna love it!
 

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That sounds about right. I have a feeling that when Toyota releases the new Tundra, Nissan will be SCRAMBLING to pull together a redesigned Titan! My point is this: The biggest problem that Japanese truckmakers have is that they simply fail to constantly keep updating their truck portfolio like the way domestic manufacturers like Ford, GM, and Ram do. And when the rest of the competition is continually adding new tech, more innovative features, and fresher designs, you just start to forget about the older trucks after a while. Just look at the current Nissan Frontier. That thing is so old most people have probably forgotten about it at this point.
It's not just tech where the Japanese trucks are falling far behind. It is basic things like engine and transmission design. The best current Tundra has 50 less HP and nearly HALF the EPA MPG in town than my PowerBoost.
 

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Purchased a 2021 Ram Limited Crew Cab 4x4 a month ago, with Frost Interior. By far the nicest interior, highest quality, real, full leather, excellent stitching, handling and ride quality. That said, I traded it in week before last still with a temp tag for a 2021 XLT PB FX4 SC, and made $$$$$ stupid money trading the unit in. The fuel economy is the only negative I see with the RAM, 13.7mpg in the city, maybe 19MPG's on the HWY at 70-75mph.

PB, the best power, and fuel economy I have encountered yet. The Electric Motor has kicked on at speeds of 50mph, which is 10mph higher than Ford previously stated.
 
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It's not just tech where the Japanese trucks are falling far behind. It is basic things like engine and transmission design. The best current Tundra has 50 less HP and nearly HALF the EPA MPG in town than my PowerBoost.
You're exactly right. The biggest nail in the coffin is that Nissan and Toyota don't offer as many powertrain choices as an F-150 or Silverado/Sierra does, so even if you do want to buy a Toyota Tundra or Nissan Titan, you're stuck with a V-8 that has poor fuel economy and, even on its own it's not as good as a Coyote from the F-150, the 6.2 from the Chevy/GMC twins, or even the 5.7 L HEMI from the Ram 1500.
 

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You're exactly right. The biggest nail in the coffin is that Nissan and Toyota don't offer as many powertrain choices as an F-150 or Silverado/Sierra does, so even if you do want to buy a Toyota Tundra or Nissan Titan, you're stuck with a V-8 that has poor fuel economy and, even on its own it's not as good as a Coyote from the F-150, the 6.2 from the Chevy/GMC twins, or even the 5.7 L HEMI from the Ram 1500.
I'm waiting until 2022 to make a decision on what half ton to purchase. Hopefully Toyota brings the Tundra on part with the F150. At least that will make pricing more competitive on the F150s.
 

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I've gone from a 2020 RAM 1500 Limited, to a 2020 Ford Raptor, to now a fully loaded 2021 Ford F150 Lariat.

Few things ...

  • The RAM was nice, and the leather quality was what made it stand out. However, fit and finish was not that great. The steering had a weird vibration at times on certain roads moving left and right, and the transfer case / front drive in 4Auto made horrible noises. The large tablet, reminded me of a cheap Samsung device, and the dash gadgets after driving the truck for a couple months started to remind of of a cheap Vegas Casino penny slot machine. Not to mention, I had to take it into the shop for glitching electronics within the first 3 weeks and a warning on the dash about the Air Suspension Fault. No thanks ... sold that quick for a profit hilariously enough
  • The 2020 Raptor was fun, and felt sturdier and more utilitarian than the RAM. It was an upgrade to me overall, despite the chintzy interior design and materials and lacking of the massive vertical touchscreen in the RAM which I could do without. I like hardware / physical buttons for important functions you reach for often which Ford still does well. Downsides were horrible fuel economy, the 3.5L EcoBoost is hardly "Eco" when paired with that truck at least, creaking interior pieces and for a truck that's supposed to "handle off-road dunes at 60mph" it could barely handle a pothole at 20 without the entire back-end kicking out. Horribly rough and unpleasant ride, unless you're purposely slamming it around in which case ... you're purposely slamming it around and even then, to do any serious off-roading you need to properly upgrade and tune the entire suspension including removing the crap stock leaf springs. So ... better than the RAM in terms of durability = win. Comfort, and long term appeal ... there's got to be better
  • 2021 Ford F150 Lariat with Sport and FX4 package and all the upgrades with the 5.0L Coyote. Awesome ... now THIS is a truck. Perfect blend of material quality, durability, comfort, and the touch screen size and orientation is "just right" while still retaining physical buttons for everything important. The seats are comfortable, as is the seating position and foot resting positions (something RAM completely lacks ... foot position and resting areas), and the fuel economy on the 5.0L is outstanding. Little known fact, that the 5.0L is one of THE most efficient engines on the market making around 95/hp per liter at peak tune. It kicks the crap out of the highly overrated twin turbo 3.5L EcoBoost for overall fuel economy (it's only when you cheat by adding a hybrid drivetrain that things in the real-world start to look better), and has less points of failure.

The 2021 F150 with the Coyote is a real class winner, hands-down. Excellent truck and Ford really stepped up their game here. It's still a Ford though, so it's not perfect. Expect to have to track down some weird wind and cabin noises and some interior creaks, and a bunch of recalls (haha) which is par for the course on North American vehicles ... despite that though, I think these 2021 F150's are the best money can buy today overall.
 

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Went from a 2020 Gladiator Overland to 2021 F150 XLT Powerboost.

The Gladiator was a good little truck and I enjoyed it for nearly two years with no issues at all.
Pros:
  • No other truck has removable doors and roof, fun factor.
  • Off Road performance even in the Overland model I had was really good without seeming to try very hard. It is a Jeep afterall.
  • Nice Interior. Nothing flashy, but nicely appointed in Overland trim. Everything you need, nothing you don't. Like a Wrangler, it has drain holes in the floor and the carpet comes up in a snap if there's any water incursion.
  • Scrappy personality.
Cons:
  • Small size. Despite being only a few inches shorter than an F150, the vehicle is narrow. Always felt like I needed a bit more room at 6ft, 215pds. Our family of 3 and two dogs were a little tight for camping trips. Small bed too. These points were a large part of why I traded, just wanted and needed more room.
  • Limited Towing Capacity and Payload. My Overland was rated at 6K pds towing and a little over 1000 pds payload. Not bad for a midsize truck, but with the cab and bed fully loaded, plus towing a pop up camper. We were really close to the 1000pd payload and the truck seemed to be working pretty hard even though we weren't close to maxing out the tow capacity. Fully loaded like that on mountain roads headed to campsites could be a little white nuckle sometimes.
  • Low Power/Torque. 285hp/260ftpds is pretty low for a vehicle that still weighs almost 5K pds.
Though I do miss the Gladiator, I'm very happy with the trade to the Powerboost. Apart from lacking removable doors and roof, missing some of the Jeeps Off road abilities, the Powerboost is a better truck in every way.
 
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