GAWR (axle) stickers for regular/max tow and EB/PB

[daemonic3]

Hey all, it has been bothering me for a while that we've talked about the upgraded, heavier rear axle for the max tow package, but also discussed how on paper it only TAKES AWAY from the payload as it is heavier. This seems counterintuitive! Why would there be an axle upgrade if there is no benefit passed to the specs of the truck?? It is causing many people to try to optimize for cost and payload by avoiding max tow...

So let's see if it is just a side effect of the GVWR not changing (therefore Ford not re-rolling the payload spec), while in fact the GAWR of the rear axle increased.

In the payload sticker threads we've been paying attention to the yellow payload stickers, but now I am requesting the WHITE door stickers that show the individual GAWR's. If no window sticker, we can manually type the VIN and find out if the truck includes max or regular tow package.

Thanks in advance!

(also I am KICKING myself for last week at the dealer where 2 XLT EB's were side by side - one with max tow and one regular tow, I only took a pic of the yellow payload stickers!! grrr...)

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[KBKEITH]

Hey all, it has been bothering me for a while that we've talked about the upgraded, heavier rear axle for the max tow package, but also discussed how on paper it only TAKES AWAY from the payload as it is heavier. This seems counterintuitive! Why would there be an axle upgrade if there is no benefit passed to the specs of the truck?? It is causing many people to try to optimize for cost and payload by avoiding max tow...

So let's see if it is just a side effect of the GVWR not changing (therefore Ford not re-rolling the payload spec), while in fact the GAWR of the rear axle increased.

In the payload sticker threads we've been paying attention to the yellow payload stickers, but now I am requesting the WHITE door stickers that show the individual GAWR's. If no window sticker, we can manually type the VIN and find out if the truck includes max or regular tow package.

Thanks in advance!

(also I am KICKING myself for last week at the dealer where 2 XLT EB's were side by side - one with max tow and one regular tow, I only took a pic of the yellow payload stickers!! grrr...)

What I can add here is I have the regular tow package, FX4 and the 2.7EB. Because of the 2.7 and FX4 combo, that allowed me to opt for the 3.73 rear. To my surprise they put in the 9.75 axle and I am assuming the HD frame. The payload value on my sticker is 1447. I was really expecting the lighter 8.8 axle. Oh well, my heavier truck will be better in the snow.

 

[daemonic3]

What I can add here is I have the regular tow package, FX4 and the 2.7EB. Because of the 2.7 and FX4 combo, that allowed me to opt for the 3.73 rear. To my surprise they put in the 9.75 axle and I am assuming the HD frame. The payload value on my sticker is 1447. I was really expecting the lighter 8.8 axle. Oh well, my heavier truck will be better in the snow.

Nice! Can you share the GAWR's on your sticker when you get a chance? That would be super helpful... Maybe we can track the axle ratings vs frames, tow package, and EB/PB/HDPP.

 

[KBKEITH]

Nice! Can you share the GAWR's on your sticker when you get a chance? That would be super helpful... Maybe we can track the axle ratings vs frames, tow package, and EB/PB/HDPP.

No problemo:

 

[daemonic3]

No problemo:

Thanks! I'll start a sheet. Not sure if it matters but one more variable, is yours 4x2, 4x4 or FX4?

 

[KBKEITH]

Thanks! I'll start a sheet. Not sure if it matters but one more variable, is yours 4x2, 4x4 or FX4?

FX4.

 

[Power Kid]

I recall 2.7L EB and max tow = 9.75 but not heavier frame.

 

[daemonic3]

I recall 2.7L EB and max tow = 9.75 but not heavier frame.

I think max tow forces 5.0L or 3.5EB so all 2.7's are regular tow?

Here is what I have so far, I couldn't find white stickers in scanning a few of the color threads for pics. Need a regular tow PB, and both flavors (regular/max) of 3.5EB to get the full variables. I was tracking FX4 in case the different suspension changes the axle rating (which I doubt but just checking). Also curious if 4x2 changes things but I don't think it will either.

 

[KBKEITH]

Here’s my frame sticker:

 

[dog_tired]

Here’s my frame sticker:

Curious - where is the frame sticker located?

 

[Smitdog]

You can add this combo to your list...

 

[KBKEITH]

Curious - where is the frame sticker located?

If you look at the area of the frame right underneath of the driver’s door you’ll see the sticker. Kinda tricky to get a picture of it.

 

[daemonic3]

Thanks for the new data point! Now we can see the difference between PB and 3.5EB, both with max tow. And the stark contrast to the lighter 2.7EB.

Now if we can just get a "regular" tow for PB and 3.5EB we can check the effect of max tow directly (if any) on axle rating.

What's interesting is that for the PB to get 300# more GVWR rating, they added 300# and 350# to the axles. I'm wondering now if between regular and max tow, it only increases the rear axle and therefore won't bump the GVWR spec, even though the truck is technically a little more robust. I would absolutely feel more safe when porpoising over dips on highways knowing that rear axle has more beef, even if it "hurt" my payload spec on paper.

If someone knows more about which frame these get I can fill that in more confidently.

 

[BoilerTimmay]

Thanks for the new data point! Now we can see the difference between PB and 3.5EB, both with max tow. And the stark contrast to the lighter 2.7EB.

Now if we can just get a "regular" tow for PB and 3.5EB we can check the effect of max tow directly (if any) on axle rating.

What's interesting is that for the PB to get 300# more GVWR rating, they added 300# and 350# to the axles. I'm wondering now if between regular and max tow, it only increases the rear axle and therefore won't bump the GVWR spec, even though the truck is technically a little more robust. I would absolutely feel more safe when porpoising over dips on highways knowing that rear axle has more beef, even if it "hurt" my payload spec on paper.

If someone knows more about which frame these get I can fill that in more confidently.

Is the 7300# rating a HDPP and/or a 5.5’ bed? If you can clarify these are 4x4 5.5’ that would be great.

 

[daemonic3]

Is the 7300# rating a HDPP and/or a 5.5’ bed? If you can clarify these are 4x4 5.5’ that would be great.

Yes, I got 2 more data points last night after I posted, and one was a 6.5' bed. You can see it has the same rear axle rating as the powerboost 5.5' bed, but not the upgraded front. So far they have all been 4x4 and I'm tracking FX4 as well in case that matters.

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