BuckingBronco
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Hey everyone, thanks for having me. First post here.
I was just wondering how the anti-capitalist mandate from a Ford dealer is going to help eager honest lightning reservees?
I would say if you were eager, you are in the original group of 200k preorders. Very eager, with a right to be upset about what happens with others' trucks, in the first hour or so following reservations going live.
I can assure you, as someone who ordered already, there was nothing about this clause so far anywhere in the process. So the first time my wave will see this is at pick up.
When these disgusting opportunists cancel their orders and the truck goes back to the dealer, is someone from wave 50 that reserved in November going to buy it off the lot for MSRP and skip the line? Or maybe someone who thought the preorder was a joke and skipped it entirely (peasants.. *scoffs*). Or will someone that really wants the lightning but already ordered in Wave 2 or 3 buy it. Leaving another already ordered truck to the dealer to sell at $50,0.. I mean MSRP.
They say the waves will happen 2 weeks apart, I wonder if Ford will make an official statement in that time.
Unless Ford makes the possible no-sell provision extremely public through an official channel and/or something you must check off acknowledgement of prior to ordering, they were not doing this for the customer. At all. The result of this (without the lucky leak we saw) would have been canceled units left and right sitting marked up 20-50k on lots.
If you think it is to prevent flipping when preorders reopen, they will be pumping out so many at that point there will be no arbitrage opportunity after tax/fee etc. I'd be shocked if its not just a memory at that point (the clause.)
The policy is bizarre for a mass production vehicle with an excessive msrp as is. Its even more bizarre as it comes from a huge USA based corporation, who just posted top sales in the nation. Henry Ford would be on the capitalism mount rushmore. I know I know, John Cena.. GT40..
I am fine with the people cheering this on out of emotion, but stop trying to justify it business-wise or economically. It will do nothing at all to help eager buyers to get their truck, or get it faster. With the exception of those who reserved way later, who are waiting so long due to their own inaction. Since the cancellations wont start for 20+ weeks, 10+ anticipated waves will have ordered before wave 11+ flippers cancel (maybe).
A booming secondary market will help ford be a trending status item, which I personally don't care about, but matters now. Half the Bronco buzz is from status seekers and the like seeing $125k tags for the FE's. Ford will lose barely any buyers if any. If anything itll bring a new demographic.
It is funny to see people cheering on the little guy in this case. The underdog. The guy buying a $100,000 F150. It is a necessity, that he will rely on daily. Because that's usually the use-case for someone buying a $100,000 new to market gadget. Cheering on him and the dealer that sold your spots to a "priority buyer".. nice.
"If you don't like the terms, don't buy the truck." The entire first half of the memo was saying surprises are wrong, and not representative of FMC. Which nearly 100% of FMC customers are celebrating. But the surprise additional language, an 8th of an inch down the page, is ok. And your response to concerned posters is...surprise surprise: "if you don't like the terms, don't buy the truck."
How does one reconcile that internally.
To the poster that said only Ford should profit, they developed and built the product. I agree wholeheartedly. Next open house I go to I'm bringing records of the original price to build + original land purchase price adjusted for inflation, that's my offer. How will that go? Any of you moving soon?
I honestly do feel for those who ordered in the first hour and weren't wave one and are upset. Your dealer likelysold your position prioritized their most loyal customer someone who bribed them.
The resale provision could have only saved you if it was publicly published by Ford directly and prior to ordering. Now a reservation holder will be out of their truck. You will still wait exactly the same time for your truck. The dealer will stop crying because he is the big dog again, and then sell that exact truck for $125k.
The first few hours group is the only one that actually could make a case for getting screwed. The rest is individual inaction. You have to own that. No reseller made you wait a day or 60 to put down your $100. This wasn't ps5 or a graphics card that a machine purchased 100% of available inventory before the page loaded. That is horrible, and we can agree on that. But, this was not that.
I was just wondering how the anti-capitalist mandate from a Ford dealer is going to help eager honest lightning reservees?
I would say if you were eager, you are in the original group of 200k preorders. Very eager, with a right to be upset about what happens with others' trucks, in the first hour or so following reservations going live.
I can assure you, as someone who ordered already, there was nothing about this clause so far anywhere in the process. So the first time my wave will see this is at pick up.
When these disgusting opportunists cancel their orders and the truck goes back to the dealer, is someone from wave 50 that reserved in November going to buy it off the lot for MSRP and skip the line? Or maybe someone who thought the preorder was a joke and skipped it entirely (peasants.. *scoffs*). Or will someone that really wants the lightning but already ordered in Wave 2 or 3 buy it. Leaving another already ordered truck to the dealer to sell at $
They say the waves will happen 2 weeks apart, I wonder if Ford will make an official statement in that time.
Unless Ford makes the possible no-sell provision extremely public through an official channel and/or something you must check off acknowledgement of prior to ordering, they were not doing this for the customer. At all. The result of this (without the lucky leak we saw) would have been canceled units left and right sitting marked up 20-50k on lots.
If you think it is to prevent flipping when preorders reopen, they will be pumping out so many at that point there will be no arbitrage opportunity after tax/fee etc. I'd be shocked if its not just a memory at that point (the clause.)
The policy is bizarre for a mass production vehicle with an excessive msrp as is. Its even more bizarre as it comes from a huge USA based corporation, who just posted top sales in the nation. Henry Ford would be on the capitalism mount rushmore. I know I know, John Cena.. GT40..
I am fine with the people cheering this on out of emotion, but stop trying to justify it business-wise or economically. It will do nothing at all to help eager buyers to get their truck, or get it faster. With the exception of those who reserved way later, who are waiting so long due to their own inaction. Since the cancellations wont start for 20+ weeks, 10+ anticipated waves will have ordered before wave 11+ flippers cancel (maybe).
A booming secondary market will help ford be a trending status item, which I personally don't care about, but matters now. Half the Bronco buzz is from status seekers and the like seeing $125k tags for the FE's. Ford will lose barely any buyers if any. If anything itll bring a new demographic.
It is funny to see people cheering on the little guy in this case. The underdog. The guy buying a $100,000 F150. It is a necessity, that he will rely on daily. Because that's usually the use-case for someone buying a $100,000 new to market gadget. Cheering on him and the dealer that sold your spots to a "priority buyer".. nice.
"If you don't like the terms, don't buy the truck." The entire first half of the memo was saying surprises are wrong, and not representative of FMC. Which nearly 100% of FMC customers are celebrating. But the surprise additional language, an 8th of an inch down the page, is ok. And your response to concerned posters is...surprise surprise: "if you don't like the terms, don't buy the truck."
How does one reconcile that internally.
To the poster that said only Ford should profit, they developed and built the product. I agree wholeheartedly. Next open house I go to I'm bringing records of the original price to build + original land purchase price adjusted for inflation, that's my offer. How will that go? Any of you moving soon?
I honestly do feel for those who ordered in the first hour and weren't wave one and are upset. Your dealer likely
The resale provision could have only saved you if it was publicly published by Ford directly and prior to ordering. Now a reservation holder will be out of their truck. You will still wait exactly the same time for your truck. The dealer will stop crying because he is the big dog again, and then sell that exact truck for $125k.
The first few hours group is the only one that actually could make a case for getting screwed. The rest is individual inaction. You have to own that. No reseller made you wait a day or 60 to put down your $100. This wasn't ps5 or a graphics card that a machine purchased 100% of available inventory before the page loaded. That is horrible, and we can agree on that. But, this was not that.
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