F150 Hybrid Towing Range?

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I'm looking at replacing my 2018 limited with a 2021 Hybrid Limited and am wondering if anyone has any input/knowledge on what to expect for range when towing? I understand Ford is marketing a range of "at least 700 miles" for the Hybrid, which is greater than the advertised range for my 2018 but I wonder if that increased range will be similar when towing as I would suspect the Hybrid's impact is less noticeable with a 6500lb trailer behind it. With the fuel tank on the hybrid being 15% smaller than on the current limited (30.6 vs 36 gallons) , my concern would be that the range I'll get towing my travel trailer may be less than I'm getting now or do you think the Hybrid will still aid in range even under heavy load?


Some math:

The current non hybrid F150 limited is EPA rated at 19mpg combined, with my travel trailer I get about 9.8mpg average, so out of a 36 gallon tank I can theoretically get 352.8 miles of range. If the new Hybrid limited gets 700 miles on it’s 30.6 gallon tank, that would be a rating of 22.9mpg. To get the same 352.8 miles of range with the Hybrid’s smaller tank, I would need to get 11.5mpg when towing.
 

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I'm looking at replacing my 2018 limited with a 2021 Hybrid Limited and am wondering if anyone has any input/knowledge on what to expect for range when towing? I understand Ford is marketing a range of "at least 700 miles" for the Hybrid, which is greater than the advertised range for my 2018 but I wonder if that increased range will be similar when towing as I would suspect the Hybrid's impact is less noticeable with a 6500lb trailer behind it. With the fuel tank on the hybrid being 15% smaller than on the current limited (30.6 vs 36 gallons) , my concern would be that the range I'll get towing my travel trailer may be less than I'm getting now or do you think the Hybrid will still aid in range even under heavy load?


Some math:

The current non hybrid F150 limited is EPA rated at 19mpg combined, with my travel trailer I get about 9.8mpg average, so out of a 36 gallon tank I can theoretically get 352.8 miles of range. If the new Hybrid limited gets 700 miles on it’s 30.6 gallon tank, that would be a rating of 22.9mpg. To get the same 352.8 miles of range with the Hybrid’s smaller tank, I would need to get 11.5mpg when towing.
That is a very good question.

My feelings on it is yes. Electric motors are very high in torque, more so than most gas motors. The electric motors would be helping the gas motor in the high torque requirements reducing the amount of fuel needed for the gas motor.

I would think the percentage improvement would carry over to the towing work. After all you will have the same gas motor but your output power is around 40 more hp and 100 more ft lb torque without using more fuel, there would have to be an improvement.

Just me thinking out loud. LOL
 

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Fuel mileage and range are very driver dependent, and no engine has been a better example of this than the 3.5L EcoBoost. It is capable of returning very respectable fuel mileage numbers, but most people complain they don't get any better mileage than the V-8's they gave up because the engine begs to be flogged. It is fun to accelerate with all that low end torque. If you can drive it like there is an egg under the pedal, it isn't near as fun, but it gets better fuel mileage.

The same behavior will likely describe PowerBoost mileage / range. It will get better mileage and range both towing at max trailer weight or completely unloaded only if you drive it like there is an egg under the pedal. If you bask in the glory of what 575 ft-lb of low end torque feels like at every stop light, and accelerate at wide open throttle with your 12,000 lb trailer in tow, you're going to get the same fuel mileage as a non-hybrid 3.5L Ecoboost. But if you are able to stay out of wide open throttle, and learn to modulate the throttle pedal to let the electric motor's instantaneous torque get your truck and trailer rolling from the stop light, you will notice much better fuel mileage.

I absolutely believe the clutch/motor drive system is designed to allow the hybrid motor to help whether from a stand still or half way up a 6% grade, but if you stomp on the loud pedal you're still going to be burning the same amount of fuel as a standard 3.5L Ecoboost.
 

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Fuel mileage and range are very driver dependent, and no engine has been a better example of this than the 3.5L EcoBoost. It is capable of returning very respectable fuel mileage numbers, but most people complain they don't get any better mileage than the V-8's they gave up because the engine begs to be flogged. It is fun to accelerate with all that low end torque. If you can drive it like there is an egg under the pedal, it isn't near as fun, but it gets better fuel mileage.

The same behavior will likely describe PowerBoost mileage / range. It will get better mileage and range both towing at max trailer weight or completely unloaded only if you drive it like there is an egg under the pedal. If you bask in the glory of what 575 ft-lb of low end torque feels like at every stop light, and accelerate at wide open throttle with your 12,000 lb trailer in tow, you're going to get the same fuel mileage as a non-hybrid 3.5L Ecoboost. But if you are able to stay out of wide open throttle, and learn to modulate the throttle pedal to let the electric motor's instantaneous torque get your truck and trailer rolling from the stop light, you will notice much better fuel mileage.

I absolutely believe the clutch/motor drive system is designed to allow the hybrid motor to help whether from a stand still or half way up a 6% grade, but if you stomp on the loud pedal you're still going to be burning the same amount of fuel as a standard 3.5L Ecoboost.
I agree with you on that, I averaged great mileage on my 13, 15, and 18 Eco motors and loved them. I would hear of some folks complaining about only getting 15 mpg in mostly hwy. I could not understand that at all. I average 15 mpg pulling my 18 foot tandem Ranger Bass boat with a 150 on it and tons of stuff in the boat. I average 19 just running around town and hwy. I can easily get 22 straight hwy and that is with 36 gal 4X4 crew cab.

I'm a fairly easy driver but I do the speed limits mostly and I really don't drive like I have an egg on the pedal but I don't stomp it either, well, not very often anyway. You have to play with it some. Lol

When I see a red light, I let off the gas and coast, my wife on the other hand acts like she doesn't even see the redlight and waits till the last moment and then it's hard breaking. That can make a big difference too.

I have a Dodge Hellcat as my play thing, it can get 25 hwy easily or you can empty the tank in 13 minutes. Like you say driving technique can make a very big difference.

I've owned 4 hybrids over the years and actually enjoyed watching the displays and figuring out what yielded the best break regeneration and mpgs. After I saw what made the biggest difference then that became my driving style.
 
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