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So what is expected real-world range? 150 miles per charge?

These numbers I assume are based on optimal conditions. So a little bit of payload, less than ideal outdoor air temp, plus you really should only use battery from 100 or 80% down to 20% right?
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Consolidated window stickers for Pro SR, Pro ER, Lariat ER and Platinum. I couldn't find any XLT or Lariat SR window stickers on the vehicles that were listed on Auto Trader. Someone with more time may be able to find them by randomly entering VINs.

Ford F-150 Lightning F-150 Lightning Official EPA Range MPGe Revealed in Window Sticker (Base + Extended Range)! 1647536394991
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So what is expected real-world range? 150 miles per charge?

These numbers I assume are based on optimal conditions. So a little bit of payload, less than ideal outdoor air temp, plus you really should only use battery from 100 or 80% down to 20% right?
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So what is expected real-world range? 150 miles per charge?

These numbers I assume are based on optimal conditions. So a little bit of payload, less than ideal outdoor air temp, plus you really should only use battery from 100 or 80% down to 20% right?
For daily driving you'd usually only charge to 70%. So that is 210 miles of range. If you drive around 75 mph, that is about a 20% drop, so 168 miles of range. That is with the standard battery, extended range would be 179.2 miles of range.

Going below 20% is fine as long as you don't let it sit there and continue to drain over night. For road trips charging to 100% is fine, then you would dc fast charge once you reach 10% - 20% charge, up to 80%.
 

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The 48 kWh per 100 miles doesn't come anywhere close to 320 miles of range with a 131 kWh battery. That would only be 272.91 miles. Not sure where the 320 miles is coming from unless they made the extended range battery bigger. Would need a 154 kWh battery to go 320 miles.
Maybe they are calculating the consumption rate 48kwh/100 miles and multiplying by the entire battery capacity (not the usable capacity) otherwise it would take 154 usable to go 320 at 48kwh/100 miles. That math makes more sense for ford's published charge times. From Ford media charging from 15 to 100 at 48amp takes 10 hours standard and 13 hours extended. 48amp x 240v is 11.5 kWh. 11.5x13 is 149.5. 11.5x 10 is 115. Ford's 131kwh and 98kwh battery sizes don't add up with the charging math (or they are taking into account a 90 percent efficient charging process).

Going backwards from ford's claimed battery size and epa range. To go 320 miles on 131kwh the truck needs to average 41 kWh/100 miles or 82mpge.

The maths don't add up.
 

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Maybe they are calculating the consumption rate 48kwh/100 miles and multiplying by the entire battery capacity (not the usable capacity) otherwise it would take 154 usable to go 320 at 48kwh/100 miles. That math makes more sense for ford's published charge times. From Ford media charging from 15 to 100 at 48amp takes 10 hours standard and 13 hours extended. 48amp x 240v is 11.5 kWh. 11.5x13 is 149.5. 11.5x 10 is 115. Ford's 131kwh and 98kwh battery sizes don't add up with the charging math (or they are taking into account a 90 percent efficient charging process).

Going backwards from ford's claimed battery size and epa range. To go 320 miles on 131kwh the truck needs to average 41 kWh/100 miles or 82mpge.

The maths don't add up.
48 KwH/100mi figure includes charging losses...
 

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Thanks! I remember Tom talking about this and I didn't really take it in. But, now it makes sense.
When did mpge start incorporating charging loss? Does the mpge change based on a 120v charging on a frigid day versus 240x48amp at 75 degrees? What I want to know is based on a given battery size how many kWh are removed from the battery for every 100 miles. Getting them back into the battery is another calculation all together.
 

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For daily driving you'd usually only charge to 70%. So that is 210 miles of range. If you drive around 75 mph, that is about a 20% drop, so 168 miles of range. That is with the standard battery, extended range would be 179.2 miles of range.

Going below 20% is fine as long as you don't let it sit there and continue to drain over night. For road trips charging to 100% is fine, then you would dc fast charge once you reach 10% - 20% charge, up to 80%.
On last night’s live stream, they said that the trucks would be set up to charge to 90% capacity for normal use and that you should only charge to 100% for a trip.
 

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Extended range sticker below. Note EPA range is 300 which beats the originally advertised target EPA range for the Platinum.

I wonder why this hasn't been publicized yet?

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My guess is that’s the battery capability, but the larger wheels will have an impact that isn’t taken into consideration by the EPA? Just a guess tho…
 

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That 320 range for the ER is a very nice surprise. I don't know if it would be enough to have swayed me from my SR order, but it is a meaningful unexpected increase and may have made me think a bit harder.

That Pro ER sticker makes me drool. That is substantially better than my XLT SR that I am paying $3k more for. If they could mass produce that truck for consumers at a profit, the EV truck war would be won before it started.

As long as my XLT SR is still 230 miles per charge, I will be happy. During winter when it is below freezing outside, I assume that gets me right around 100 miles range at highway speeds, which is fine for 97% of my daily commuting. Doing any sort of towing/hauling in the winter is the only time I'll be concerned, but that won't be often and should be a short trip around town.
 

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Looking at the sticker on the extended range they are crediting $1,300 for the charger. So is the extended range battery $8700 vs $10K?
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The battery and associated charge station pro are $10K tougher. The dealer is getting a $1,295 credit because it deleted the charge station pro On the Pro trim level truck.
 

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Or you can optout which may make sense for some of us. I guess we need to see more stickers
 

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If we extrapolate this out to the larger battery with

230mi range from 98KwH battery = 2.35 mi/KwH

Range for the extended battery would be 2.35* 131 KwH = 307.44mi**

**Assuming there is a weight penalty mileage may be right at Ford estimate of 300mi**

As always this is very hypothetical, YMMV.
2.35 mi/KwH x 33.6kWh = 79 MPGe

There is something wrong, SR with 99kWh battery could not achieve 230 miles with 68 MPGe. 68 MPGe is just 2.02 miles/kWh.
 

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Thanks for sharing. I see on four of the window stickers they all had blend dates of 3/16. VIN’s ranged from G01899 to G02615. (They don’t build trucks in VIN sequence)
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