EPA MPGe Target & Backup Power Info From Ford Livestream

[astricklin]

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[Vulnox]

Much like rated mileage, your mileage may vary also. Anyone hand wringing over 300 mile range or 280 range is getting tunnel vision on what is largely just the middle of a range target. For example, we have a 2017 Focus Electric. Despite having 34k miles and being about 4 years old, my wife still gets more range from it than it advertises as new. 20-30 miles more is not unusual. People in Teslas and other EVs see more or sometimes less range than quoted on the window.

Even in ICE F-150s, I see people with PowerBoosts that say they can't get over 19 MPG in their truck, but I have had two long distance trips now where my overall highway mileage was 24.3 MPG. But location, driving style, climate, elevation, many things play a factor in mileage. So if you were really going to be so tight that 300 miles was okay, but 280 is a non-starter, then probably don't take the risk. But these aren't hard limits of any kind, actual mileage depending on driver will be higher or in some cases lower. Until we see some real world testing I wouldn't sweat it too much.

 

[metroshot]

Much like rated mileage, your mileage may vary also. Anyone hand wringing over 300 mile range or 280 range is getting tunnel vision on what is largely just the middle of a range target. For example, we have a 2017 Focus Electric. Despite having 34k miles and being about 4 years old, my wife still gets more range from it than it advertises as new. 20-30 miles more is not unusual. People in Teslas and other EVs see more or sometimes less range than quoted on the window.

Even in ICE F-150s, I see people with PowerBoosts that say they can't get over 19 MPG in their truck, but I have had two long distance trips now where my overall highway mileage was 24.3 MPG. But location, driving style, climate, elevation, many things play a factor in mileage. So if you were really going to be so tight that 300 miles was okay, but 280 is a non-starter, then probably don't take the risk. But these aren't hard limits of any kind, actual mileage depending on driver will be higher or in some cases lower. Until we see some real world testing I wouldn't sweat it too much.

^^^ Correct!

EV range is so variable - it's not funny!

People get so wrapped up over miles per charge that at times, I want to scream: don't sweat it!

Variables on EV range is so huge that people really get their undies in a twist.

My PHEV range gets 50-60 miles per charge while the same exact car in someone else's hands (my wife) gets half the range because she drives it like a sports car, jack rabbit take offs, sport mode (dual battery & ICE running together), climate control (heating), seat heaters, A/C blasting, sound system blaring, brakes hard (negates regen braking by coasting and light braking).

Then add cold weather - that causes the battery chemistry to reduce output - thus miles.
The number of people complaining when the weather turns cooler is so predictable - they want to sue their dealer, manufacturer, neighbor, etc...

If you are that concerned about getting 280 vs 300 miles of range, then EV is not right for you.....

 

[GABAR]

The will be the first EV F150 folks so one shouldn’t expect the moon and the stars.

I’m sure it’ll improve over time but until the current battery tech improves, including solid state batteries, which will be the next step for most if not all EV’s, it is what it is.

With that being said, I think many people are overlooking what else the Lightning is bringing to market which will be a first for a 1/2 ton and will find it’s way on future F150’s……the IRS.

 

[adoublee]

^^^ Correct!

EV range is so variable - it's not funny!

People get so wrapped up over miles per charge that at times, I want to scream: don't sweat it!

Variables on EV range is so huge that people really get their undies in a twist.

My PHEV range gets 50-60 miles per charge while the same exact car in someone else's hands (my wife) gets half the range because she drives it like a sports car, jack rabbit take offs, sport mode (dual battery & ICE running together), climate control (heating), seat heaters, A/C blasting, sound system blaring, brakes hard (negates regen braking by coasting and light braking).

Then add cold weather - that causes the battery chemistry to reduce output - thus miles.
The number of people complaining when the weather turns cooler is so predictable - they want to sue their dealer, manufacturer, neighbor, etc...

If you are that concerned about getting 280 vs 300 miles of range, then EV is not right for you.....

Yes exactly. For people that the variability frustrates, I say to just use as a reminder of how inefficiently the embodied energy in an ICE vehicles fuel is. So much unutilzed heat rejected to the outside air.

 

[Kiggulak]

How to read an EV Monroney sticker
https://www.lifewire.com/reading-epa-fuel-economy-sticker-for-an-ev-5203611

 

[playjack]

I may be out…. 280 mile range for platinum disappoints me. Dropping to lariat I cannot get max recline seats as an option or unleashed sound system. Maybe the 2023 version will allow these options. Ugh.

Vandy1981 says the 22" Wheels causing the 280 hit. You can get a platinum with smaller 20" and get the 300?

 

[metroshot]

Vandy1981 says the 22" Wheels causing the 280 hit. You can get a platinum with smaller 20" and get the 300?

Why 22" wheels on a truck ?

I don't understand putting on 22" wheels unless you plan to drive it in a ghetto city, race it on streets, and lower it to do hydraulic tricks....?

I love 18" wheels for it's universal ability to take on snow tires, off road tires, run flats, etc...

Can you imagine 22" tires on snow or ice ????

 

[Sdctcher]

Why 22" wheels on a truck ?

I don't understand putting on 22" wheels unless you plan to drive it in a ghetto city, race it on streets, and lower it to do hydraulic tricks....?

I love 18" wheels for it's universal ability to take on snow tires, off road tires, run flats, etc...

Can you imagine 22" tires on snow or ice ????

How Tire and Wheel Choice Affects Electric Vehicle Range

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...d-wheel-choice-affects-electric-vehicle-range

 

[bboy_72]

How Tire and Wheel Choice Affects Electric Vehicle Range

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...d-wheel-choice-affects-electric-vehicle-range

I prefer the aesthetic of a larger tire on a pick up truck, so I was going to go for the 20 inch versus the 18 inch wheels. However, I’m not sure that I can justify that on an EV. It does seem like unnecessarily decreasing your range.

 

[playjack]

Why 22" wheels on a truck ?

I don't understand putting on 22" wheels unless you plan to drive it in a ghetto city, race it on streets, and lower it to do hydraulic tricks....?

I love 18" wheels for it's universal ability to take on snow tires, off road tires, run flats, etc...

Can you imagine 22" tires on snow or ice ????

22" wheel more so for aesthetic. got a friend with a top of the line RAM 1500 with a 22" wheel and they look very nice! it maybe flexible for its usefulness but i find small 18" wheel on a full size pick-up proportionally too small & makes the overall appearance kinda look degraded IMO. maybe it is just me.

 

[astricklin]

22" wheel more so for aesthetic. got a friend with a top of the line RAM 1500 with a 22" wheel and they look very nice! it maybe flexible for its usefulness but i find small 18" wheel on a full size pick-up proportionally too small & makes the overall appearance kinda look degraded IMO. maybe it is just me.

They intentionally designed the vehicle to look that way to be able to upsell you to the larger wheels.

 

[LightningShow]

I wasn't sure where to put this...I was just on a call with Ford and someone in the EV group just said the 230/300 range target *is* with 1000lb payload. I hadn't heard if this was confirmed but I would take this person's word for it since it was presented as part of 2022MY vehicle review for my company, which is a very high volume Ford customer.

 

[BennyTheBeaver]

I wasn't sure where to put this...I was just on a call with Ford and someone in the EV group just said the 230/300 range target *is* with 1000lb payload. I hadn't heard if this was confirmed but I would take this person's word for it since it was presented as part of 2022MY vehicle review for my company, which is a very high volume Ford customer.

Ford has been stating this for awhile now. I'd take that as valid information. Remember, anything inside the cab is considered part of that payload (including people).

 

[LightningShow]

Ford has been stating this for awhile now. I'd take that as valid information. Remember, anything inside the cab is considered part of that payload (including people).

Cool, last time I saw discussion about the 1000lb EPA numbers I got the sense that it was still speculation.

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