Deletions - 2021 to 2025 Lariat

[Goldeneye36]

This truck is a huge jump in tech compared to my previous 12th gen so I was surprised to hear about "Brake Maintenance Mode", especially considering I've done 2 brake jobs on my other vehicles within the last 6 months. It does sound like it's still possible to do the brakes yourself though, but you have to use the procedure otherwise you can cause faults or apparently even injury if you just try to do it old school. Biggest thing to note is that disconnecting the battery won't release the electric parking brake and it will often automatically engage when putting the truck in Park so you pretty much are forced to use the maintenance mode.

(The above is for 2024 and newer. I think the older trucks might have a slightly different procedure)

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[Spiffy]

So you showed a scannerless procedure?
That's cool but I still want full access.
It kills me that i won't. I'm a avionics tech and if I run across a Honeywell autopilot that's locked down I'm out. I can't afford the 40k equipment to service them. And they are used in jets, and single engine planes. The corporate owned jets have limitless money to put towards repairs. The single engine guys are broke. They can't afford the costs. I have replace a few panels with TSO versions of autopilot that started out in the experimental side. That means the way less experimental version has been certified to be used in certified aircraft.
At least there are manufacturers that are aware of the difficulties that small shops have. If every aircraft had to go to a big FBO shop the backlog would be months.
This is what is going to happen with the auto side. We have three ford shops in my town. Each one has only one tech that is certified to work on ADAS systems. It took 3 months for my first shop to throw in the towel. Can't fix it.
I'm getting some amazing help from guys on thus very same site.

 

[tsigwing]

So you showed a scannerless procedure?
That's cool but I still want full access.
It kills me that i won't. I'm a avionics tech and if I run across a Honeywell autopilot that's locked down I'm out. I can't afford the 40k equipment to service them. And they are used in jets, and single engine planes. The corporate owned jets have limitless money to put towards repairs. The single engine guys are broke. They can't afford the costs. I have replace a few panels with TSO versions of autopilot that started out in the experimental side. That means the way less experimental version has been certified to be used in certified aircraft.
At least there are manufacturers that are aware of the difficulties that small shops have. If every aircraft had to go to a big FBO shop the backlog would be months.
This is what is going to happen with the auto side. We have three ford shops in my town. Each one has only one tech that is certified to work on ADAS systems. It took 3 months for my first shop to throw in the towel. Can't fix it.
I'm getting some amazing help from guys on thus very same site.

Feel better now knowing you can do basic brake work with no special equipment? The sky is not falling.

 

[AM2913]

Here is what I noticed when I was at Courtesy Ford checking out the new Lariat '25s 502A.

- OLED temperature indicators in the climate dials are gone
- Several buttons from the top rack above the screen have been moved / deleted so there is a bunch of blanks
- Fog lamps are the cheaper bulb kind instead of LED
- Front Lights look cheaper
- 18 speaker stereo is now down to 14 speakers (headrest speakers gone)

Something about the interior feels "cheaper" / more plasticky

What did I miss?

I was looking for a 24 Lariat at the end of last year, but couldn't find the specs I wanted at any dealers within 300 miles, so I picked up an early 25 502a Lariat in January. The additional differences I noted between 24 and 25 are:

- power tilt/telescope column is now manual tile/telescope --not a big deal to me, as I rarely move column
- remote tailgate release button removed -- annoying (I have pro access tailgate, not sure about regular tailgate versions)
- securicode keypad deleted from door pillar -- very annoying (I'm looking into installing 24 wired in version via other thread on this site)
- seat material changed from leather to activex synthetic -- I actually prefer the synthetic. It seems very slightly more "grippy" than the leather and still feels premium/comfortable

The deletions are annoying, but I still really like the new truck, and it is a huge upgrade from my 2013 F150.

 

[crazywayne311]

i thought Lariat Seats were fake leather already? if you look at the window sticker is says "leather trimmed"
So what part of the seats are leather and what part are "leather trimmed"?

I thought i read the only real leather part was the part your butt hits and your back. the whole rest of the seat is pleather

 

[BIG MIKE]

Here is what I noticed when I was at Courtesy Ford checking out the new Lariat '25s 502A.

- OLED temperature indicators in the climate dials are gone
- Several buttons from the top rack above the screen have been moved / deleted so there is a bunch of blanks
- Fog lamps are the cheaper bulb kind instead of LED
- Front Lights look cheaper
- 18 speaker stereo is now down to 14 speakers (headrest speakers gone)

Something about the interior feels "cheaper" / more plasticky

What did I miss?

I ordered a 2025 Lariat 5.0 501A BAP & have had it three months/4,000 miles. Fog lights have a cleaner look to me. Not a fan of LED appearance ( I know they are superior to halogen but look too much like fluorescent.) I do like the look they give taillights.
Was very skeptical of ”Active X.” Had a Volvo prior and there is no difference. Ford seats are actually more comfortable & with back problems I appreciate the large range of lumbar support. Sound system is in line with/ price point. Only problem was scratches on back window at delivery & 120v outlets not working. Dealer fixed both.
The most ridiculous thing is Lariat is the highest trim w/ V8 available.

 

[HammaMan]

i thought Lariat Seats were fake leather already? if you look at the window sticker is says "leather trimmed"
So what part of the seats are leather and what part are "leather trimmed"?

I thought i read the only real leather part was the part your butt hits and your back. the whole rest of the seat is pleather

The high wear areas are typically synthetic because they last longer. Lariat seats don't really smell like leather as you'd expect though

 

[crazywayne311]

yeah they sure dont smell like leather at all. i'm still not 100% whats actual leather.

 

[HammaMan]

yeah they sure dont smell like leather at all. i'm still not 100% whats actual leather.

I've got some platinum covers and they smell like leather but they're not full leather either. While I haven't spent any time analyzing them thoroughly, the materials are 'matched' quite well as there's no obvious transitions. Technically any little part of the dozens that make up the cover could be actual leather to meet the 'leather trimmed' advertising.

The artificial materials are high quality and last longer than real leather, but you can't fake the smell. Modern synthetic suede bests the legit stuff by miles in durability and finish quality. I've got several samples I've been playing with for upgrading various plastic parts of my interior. It's a low priority item on the list.

 

[js312]

The high wear areas are typically synthetic because they last longer. Lariat seats don't really smell like leather as you'd expect though

My understanding was the opposite, and that the seating surfaces were leather, but everything else was synthetic. I previously had a SuperCab Lariat and the rear seats were vinyl (SuperCrews got Leather-trimmed rear seats). the seating surfaces were noticeably different if you compared them to the front seats, but the rest was pretty similar.

 

[HammaMan]

My understanding was the opposite, and that the seating surfaces were leather, but everything else was synthetic. I previously had a SuperCab Lariat and the rear seats were vinyl (SuperCrews got Leather-trimmed rear seats). the seating surfaces were noticeably different if you compared them to the front seats, but the rest was pretty similar.

Both cabs have the same rear seats

 

[js312]

Both cabs have the same rear seats

No they don't.

 

[HammaMan]

No they don't.

Only difference is lack of fold down armrest which changes the LH Rear seat back cover. No other differences including in the order guide specifying "vinyl". The rear seats are the same parts and are interchangeable between cabs w/ the only difference being the inclusion of the armrest which really doesn't make any sense as there's no space or other constraints precluding it for the super cab.

Parts - Lower, fits both super and crews

Unique rear that goes on the 'XL/XLT' seat frame/cushion that lacks the armrest.

For description/nomenclature reference, here's a front cover

The order guide itself only mentions the cup holder armrest as the only difference between cabs

Given the part interchangeability of the other 3 covers (both bottoms and 40% rear/back portion), it seems to be a misprint.

 

[js312]

Only difference is lack of fold down armrest which changes the LH Rear seat back cover. No other differences including in the order guide specifying "vinyl". The rear seats are the same parts and are interchangeable between cabs w/ the only difference being the inclusion of the armrest which really doesn't make any sense as there's no space or other constraints precluding it for the super cab.

Parts - Lower, fits both super and crews

Unique rear that goes on the 'XL/XLT' seat frame/cushion that lacks the armrest.

For description/nomenclature reference, here's a front cover

The order guide itself only mentions the cup holder armrest as the only difference between cabs

Given the part interchangeability of the other 3 covers (both bottoms and 40% rear/back portion), it seems to be a misprint.

As noted in my signature, I had a 2020 Lariat SuperCab. That's the truck I'm using as the example to compare same-type vinyl vs leather seating surfaces. The material on the rear seat was absolutely, without a doubt, different. The perforations on the SuperCab weren't even real perforations (just indentations). It's listed as different in every single brochure from 2016 up, and the verbiage even changed over the years, indicating they didn't simply copy and paste and carry a mistake from year to year.

Beyond that, the SuperCab and SuperCrew have different instructions for cover removal and replacement in the factory workshop manual, and there are differences, such clip patterns and quantities - this is the shop manual for the 2020 I had:

Also, the parts ARE different:

2020 Lariat SuperCab, Sport appearance, Black interior (used my old VIN):

2020 Lariat SuperCrew (found a truck for sale that was the same except for the cab):

 

[crazywayne311]

I've got some platinum covers and they smell like leather but they're not full leather either. While I haven't spent any time analyzing them thoroughly, the materials are 'matched' quite well as there's no obvious transitions. Technically any little part of the dozens that make up the cover could be actual leather to meet the 'leather trimmed' advertising.

The artificial materials are high quality and last longer than real leather, but you can't fake the smell. Modern synthetic suede bests the legit stuff by miles in durability and finish quality. I've got several samples I've been playing with for upgrading various plastic parts of my interior. It's a low priority item on the list.

well damn. thanks for the awesome info.

yeah i wanted to a Lariat for the "leather seating" seems thats a common misconception. were Lariat seats ever leather?

I mean at the end of the day as long as they last. i know my dads 98 Lariat seats were awfully rough last i saw them. though he doesnt necessarily take care of them haha

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