'22 F150 Transmission Problems, TSB 23-2250

[Cranbery]

Hey all, having some tranny problems that appear to be exactly what's on the TSB23-2250 that many models are experiencing, delayed shift, etc. Truck literally takes two seconds to shift gears, skips gears, shifts 3-4 gears at once, then shifts hard then it does shift.

Brought it to a dealer who did the reset of the adaptive learning under the TSB, and it made it worse. I took it back and now they won't proceed citing that I have aftermarket parts. I told them that's illegal under the Magnus act, and they told me to kick rocks.

I called Ford and they said they can't force the dealer, and they can't control that other dealers have a 3 month wait (because they all do here in Miami since all the tranny's have problems).

Has anyone had experience with this? I'm about to lemon law this truck if that's the case. I love the truck, but I'm not going to spend 5-7k replacing the transmission at my cost for Ford's issues, especially with the class action lawsuits going on about it.

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[Polo08816]

https://www.expeditionforum.com/thr...-engagement-and-or-harsh-delayed-shift.54334/

What aftermarket parts do you have?

 

[Cranbery]

https://www.expeditionforum.com/thr...-engagement-and-or-harsh-delayed-shift.54334/

What aftermarket parts do you have?

Typical Boltons and livernois tune. When I took it to the dealer the tune was off, but it drove better with the tune! It is literally the same things described in the TSB.

 

[Boen]

My opinion (I own a transmission repair shop)The shifting problem is more than likley computer controlled and it is possible caused from other programming.

 

[Oxford_Powerboost]

Typical Boltons and livernois tune. When I took it to the dealer the tune was off, but it drove better with the tune! It is literally the same things described in the TSB.

Yeah. Even under the Magnuson moss act you quoted, it’s pretty fair for the dealer to deny warranty on a trans due to a tune. The tune fundamentally changes the amount of power through the trans as well as the way the transmission behaves, line pressures, gear selection, etc.

Btw, transmission issues aren’t common. Skipping gears is by design. Sounds like something is up with yours though. Best bet is to try another dealer. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I believe lemon law will not work out if the vehicle is modified and that can be attributed to the issue.

 

[Polo08816]

Yeah. Even under the Magnuson moss act you quoted, it’s pretty fair for the dealer to deny warranty on a trans due to a tune. The tune fundamentally changes the amount of power through the trans as well as the way the transmission behaves, line pressures, gear selection, etc.

Btw, transmission issues aren’t common. Skipping gears is by design. Sounds like something is up with yours though. Best bet is to try another dealer. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I believe lemon law will not work out if the vehicle is modified and that can be attributed to the issue.

Agreed.

 

[Cranbery]

Yeah. Even under the Magnuson moss act you quoted, it’s pretty fair for the dealer to deny warranty on a trans due to a tune. The tune fundamentally changes the amount of power through the trans as well as the way the transmission behaves, line pressures, gear selection, etc.

Btw, transmission issues aren’t common. Skipping gears is by design. Sounds like something is up with yours though. Best bet is to try another dealer. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I believe lemon law will not work out if the vehicle is modified and that can be attributed to the issue.

The tune wasn't on. The dealer denied it for having an exhaust.

It ran better with the tune. I'd say the problems are pretty common considering there's a TSB that's been revised 5+ times and multiple class action lawsuits for the 10r80.

Skipping from 1 to 3 is one thing. Delayed and harsh shifts are proven issues with how Ford made these transmissions.

 

[Oxford_Powerboost]

The tune wasn't on. The dealer denied it for having an exhaust.

It ran better with the tune. I'd say the problems are pretty common considering there's a TSB that's been revised 5+ times and multiple class action lawsuits for the 10r80.

Skipping from 1 to 3 is one thing. Delayed and harsh shifts are proven issues with how Ford made these transmissions.

But you admit the truck has been tuned. A tune is an attributable factor to a transmission failure or issue. Especially in a 3.5 where the tune really adds a good amount of torque. Additionally livernois themselves advertise that their tune removes or reduces the transmission input torque limits put in from the factory which would certainly make the truck faster, but makes me wonder why those torque limits were put there to begin with…

These trans aren’t always the smoothest, but I don’t expect it to be given the torque they deal with, the long drivetrain they’re attached to, and the fuel economy they have to return. All those things lead to it being less smooth than the slush boxes of old. But actual issues of the trans not operating as designed are not common on this gen of f150

 

[Cranbery]

But you admit the truck has been tuned. A tune is an attributable factor to a transmission failure or issue. Especially in a 3.5 where the tune really adds a good amount of torque. Additionally livernois themselves advertise that their tune removes or reduces the transmission input torque limits put in from the factory which would certainly make the truck faster, but makes me wonder why those torque limits were put there to begin with…

These trans aren’t always the smoothest, but I don’t expect it to be given the torque they deal with, the long drivetrain they’re attached to, and the fuel economy they have to return. All those things lead to it being less smooth than the slush boxes of old. But actual issues of the trans not operating as designed are not common on this gen of f150

I don't really understand how you can say the 10r80 issues aren't common. The dealers in my area have 3 month waits from how many transmissions they are getting for TSB service. The issues are well stated and known, and fairly common. They weren't fixed until 2023 model year. 2021 and 2022 models have the drums literally designed differently to where oil leaks out. The valve body sticks. The TSB literally changes mechanical components of the transmission.

The tune isn't the issue, it's a poorly designed transmission that Ford has already admitted to and released mechanical changes to how it was originally built. Read the TSB.

In any case, I'm looking for anyone with experience in this situation - rather not derail my thread into opinions about the transmission. The facts are that they are designed improperly, and Ford released a fix. I am entitled to that fix under the warranty, especially after the first dealer reprogrammed it and it runs worse now.

 

[Choad92]

Even if the tune wasn’t installed when you took it in, they can still tell it has had a tube in it.

 

[slow3v]

Your option is to try your luck at another dealer. You should also probably have refrained from mentioning your tune and aftermarket parts on the forum. Ford has reps here to help customers, and they keep an eye on stuff like this.

My advice? Delete this thread, flash it back to stock and find another dealer. Shut your pie hole about the fact that it was tuned and go from there.

At the end of the day, when you modify and especially tune an in warranty vehicle, you must be cognizant to the fact that this very scenario may occur at some point (dealer denying coverage due to mods). You’re an adult (I presume) and understood this before doing so. Take some responsibility.

 

[Oxford_Powerboost]

I don't really understand how you can say the 10r80 issues aren't common. The dealers in my area have 3 month waits from how many transmissions they are getting for TSB service. The issues are well stated and known, and fairly common. They weren't fixed until 2023 model year. 2021 and 2022 models have the drums literally designed differently to where oil leaks out. The valve body sticks. The TSB literally changes mechanical components of the transmission.

The tune isn't the issue, it's a poorly designed transmission that Ford has already admitted to and released mechanical changes to how it was originally built. Read the TSB.

In any case, I'm looking for anyone with experience in this situation - rather not derail my thread into opinions about the transmission. The facts are that they are designed improperly, and Ford released a fix. I am entitled to that fix under the warranty, especially after the first dealer reprogrammed it and it runs worse now.

You are in fact not entitled to that fix under warranty since the vehicle was tuned.

My suggestion mirrors the post above - delete this thread, contact another dealer, and hope they don’t look for evidence of tuning before approving a repair. Unfortunately you may need to wait the ~3 weeks trying to get a dealer who hasn’t already denied you.

 

[Cranbery]

You are in fact not entitled to that fix under warranty since the vehicle was tuned.

My suggestion mirrors the post above - delete this thread, contact another dealer, and hope they don’t look for evidence of tuning before approving a repair. Unfortunately you may need to wait the ~3 weeks trying to get a dealer who hasn’t already denied you.

The dealer denied it not knowing it was tuned. So that point is moot. They referenced an irrelevant modification, which would not nullify the warranty claim, on a transmission that has the known issue without any aftermarket parts affecting it regardless. It's not that it's tuned and it broke a mount, or blew a turbo. It's the same known problems on the known service bulletin, lawsuits. It would have it stock. The tune didn't cause the faulty seals in the transmission to leak through a seal that came faulty from factory on the drums.

Ford doesn't (and can't with a livernois tune) identify and flag the trucks in the same way, for example, VW does.

You successfully derailed the thread asking for experience by providing your opinion and no experience, just basically trolled it on some internet police trip. Thank you.

 

[mdomicolo]

Are you trying to say that ford can’t see your truck was tuned with a Livernois tune?

 

[Snakebitten]

Did they in fact apply a PCM update?
Can you scan your VIN in FDRS to see if there's any PCM updates available?

I've had 4 trucks with 10r80 transmissions. 3 others in the family fleet. I admit that it's a bit crazy how much difference there can be between one and another, but we haven't had a "bad" one yet.

Having said that, my 2018 was tuned by GearHead tuning and that was the best behaved surest shifting of them all to date.
On the 3 Gen14 F150's, all Powerboosts (10r80 MHT), the 2 2021 trucks improved significantly as Ford released 3-4 PCM updates from the time the Job1 trucks were released. My 2022 Job2 truck has gotten 2 PCM updates since summer 2022. It's currently the best untuned 10r80 that I've ever driven.

Again, before I'd go to battle, I'd look to see if a PCM update has yet to be applied to your truck. (The TSB is a PCM update, in fact)

I'd also confirm your fluid level isn't low. This tranny is very sensitive to fluid level, especially at cold start.

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