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Leaving your oil in as long as you possibly can doesn't make your engine last longer.

Changing your oil BEFORE its contaminated and diluted and diminished viscosity doesn't hurt the engine.

And I will never be convinced that Ford recommends me to do everything possible to get 200,000 miles out of it. At around 60,000, they are off the hook.
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I read that Ford prohibits using additives or "flush" chemicals.
Unless someone has some hard science with facts and data, I see no point in altering the factory schedule. I would normally go with a full synthetic, but to me, this is not an expensive engine (it came "free" with the truck … : ) and I'll dispose of the truck before the warranty expires.
It's not about the engine that I'd worry about costs, it's all the gizmos and electric motors, sensors and switches …. that touchscreen … those fold-flat seats … I wonder what the statistics will be like at 30K miles or 100K miles.
If there was an engine warranty issue that had anything to do with tolerances, I'd expect Ford to test the fluids. I imagine they would disallow a warranty claim where there's evidence of additives or an oil that doesn't meet the spec.
The '21 PowerBoost benefits from years of ecoboost … "learning" … so I can appreciate that the EB has created an owner population with misgivings. Given the combined direct and port injection, I don't know what to expect. Not to mention the uniquely new case of an engine that can spend hours idling. Who knows?
I don't see it as prudent preventative maintenance to make frequent oil changes or use more expensive oils. If someone publishes scientific tests with hard data, I'll happily go pay $18 for a quart of synthetic instead of $6 for synthetic blend.
If we get 30K into this new Hybrid and people are reporting warranty problems, I'll pay attention and adapt to new information.
For now, It ain't broke, so don't try to fix it. : )
A full synthetic oil change and tire rotation at my ford dealer was 77.00 bucks vs 50 for the synthetic blend.
 

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The flush is something they add to the oil prior to the oil change, run the engine for a period of time, then drain it. It is supposed to help clear out any residual buildup.

The conditioner they add to the new oil when they add it to the engine. They claim that both together help prevent buildup in any of the oil passages.

During an oil change, they will also add a fuel conditioner to the current tank if you opt for it. All the products are from BG.
BG makes good products, however, if you're using quality oil and servicing your vehicle regularly, none of that should be needed. I've seen engines that have gotten varnish removed (slowly) just from putting a better oil in it. I'd be cautious of using a shop that recommended using it all the time, as I've never dealt with any mechanic that wanted to go through that procedure for every oil change. It seems to be more of a money-grab, upsell thing than actual necessary maintenance.
 

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I read that Ford prohibits using additives or "flush" chemicals.
I do all my service at the dealership I bought the truck from. If there is an issue, it’s between them and Ford in my mind.

But I see no mention of a flush additive on the paperwork from my service - only the oil and fuel conditioners. Maybe the flush is just a process with no chemicals…
 

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BG makes good products, however, if you're using quality oil and servicing your vehicle regularly, none of that should be needed. I've seen engines that have gotten varnish removed (slowly) just from putting a better oil in it. I'd be cautious of using a shop that recommended using it all the time, as I've never dealt with any mechanic that wanted to go through that procedure for every oil change. It seems to be more of a money-grab, upsell thing than actual necessary maintenance.
This is the dealership, not an independent shop.
 

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Because dealerships can be trusted 100%?
I have a 20 year history with this dealership. They have been straight up with me through the years.

They are human, they have made a mistake on occasion, but they have done the right thing when something had come up.
 

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I read that Ford prohibits using additives or "flush" chemicals.
Unless someone has some hard science with facts and data, I see no point in altering the factory schedule. I would normally go with a full synthetic, but to me, this is not an expensive engine (it came "free" with the truck … : ) and I'll dispose of the truck before the warranty expires.
It's not about the engine that I'd worry about costs, it's all the gizmos and electric motors, sensors and switches …. that touchscreen … those fold-flat seats … I wonder what the statistics will be like at 30K miles or 100K miles.
If there was an engine warranty issue that had anything to do with tolerances, I'd expect Ford to test the fluids. I imagine they would disallow a warranty claim where there's evidence of additives or an oil that doesn't meet the spec.
The '21 PowerBoost benefits from years of ecoboost … "learning" … so I can appreciate that the EB has created an owner population with misgivings. Given the combined direct and port injection, I don't know what to expect. Not to mention the uniquely new case of an engine that can spend hours idling. Who knows?
I don't see it as prudent preventative maintenance to make frequent oil changes or use more expensive oils. If someone publishes scientific tests with hard data, I'll happily go pay $18 for a quart of synthetic instead of $6 for synthetic blend.
If we get 30K into this new Hybrid and people are reporting warranty problems, I'll pay attention and adapt to new information.
For now, It ain't broke, so don't try to fix it. : )
https://blog.greenflag.com/2015/are-engine-flush-and-fuel-additives-worth-the-money/
 

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That article offer no technical analysis, but their conclusion is "no need" and "Ford says don't use unapproved chemicals." I think that's the gist of it.
It was worth a chuckle to see three writers plus a "technical specialist" (the kind of title given to someone with no actual qualifications or credentials) and they come up with "placebo effect" … obviously they mean "it's a nothing pill that does nothing, but owners might feel better about a non-remedy to a non-disease" but placebo means a non-medicine that for some patients has the same benefits and improvements as pharmaceutical or medical procedure. : )
 

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Do I really need to wait 10k miles to change the oil for the first time??
I drove a 2015 ecoboost 130,000 miles, changing oil when the computer said it was ready. No issues. I did however switch to full Synthetic for the last few changes. I wouldn't spend the extra if changing it more frequently.
 

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I just changed mine at 7,500, synthetic. Good info in this post. Thank you.

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I will not attempt to sway anyone on the topic of oils - It's a foregone conclusion that this is one of the most 'opinionated' subjects amongst gearheads. Heck, even amongst power plant experts and scientists! One would think science is absolute but apparently not.
So, here's my 2 cents: I left the 'built as' oil in for 5855.6 miles before I decided that I'd buy some cheap insurance and swapped it out with 6 quarts of Mobil 1 5W-30 gotten from Sam's Club on sale for $28. Went to Ford and used my FordPass points to buy the FL-500S oil filter. The backflow diaphragm is heat resistant silicone vs. rubber found in cheaper filters.
When I drained my oil I found it to be quite dark. Not burnt or smelly, just dark. So it may be some factory additives or just plain heat cooking. But I'm glad I changed it at almost 6K. Especially living in N. Texas.
BONUS! - I found I have the regular old bolt style drain plug instead of the plastic quarter turn crap found on previous model years. Very happy about that!
I've got experience with turbo engines and will only use full synthetic oils. Not only for the increased heat generated but also to prevent oil passage clogging which is also a possibility in modern engines with small passage ways. Modern turbos are far superior (and reliable) to those from 'yesteryear' which get a lot of bad-mouthing. I have close to 200K on a modified 14yr old 2.0 4cyl Audi having used Mobil 1 0W-50 since I've owned it. I rebuilt the turbo (replaced the cartridge) once at about 120K due to minor turbine impeller damage from striking a cracked wastegate. It's still hauling butt making 275+hp and 325'lb torque. I don't baby it nor does my College student son who's driving it now. Thanks to proper care, maintenance, and good oil, she still runs strong.
I don't want to dig under the hood to work on this 3.5EB PB beast so I will continue to change oil with full Synthetic mid-weight oil around every 5K. My monitoring system will be the color of oil on the dipstick.
BTW - I reset Trip 2 at my first fillup with at around 30 miles and left it to monitor overall mpg. At the time of oil change my oil monitor claimed I still had 53% oil life remaining. That's crazy...

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Anyone can send their oil for an analysis and then have an accurate picture of the condition of the oil when it was drained.

No more opinion or anecdotes, but rather a true measurement of its condition at the time it was drained.

The additional benefits are that there's a vast database now of the various materials that make up the components of the motor so the analysis can reveal the wear rate and perhaps even warn of something unusual going on.

Based on that kind of information you can drain the oil at different intervals and then compare analysis to see with the data to back it up just how much difference there is in your oil at say 3000, 4000, 5000, 7500 miles.

We live in remarkable times and have information at our fingertips that was never available to the average consumer before.
 

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it's not 1978 anymore. engines are fine to go 10k miles especially since the manufacturer recommends it.
 

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Not all motors, all oils, all uses, all conditions are equal. So that's not likely a guarantee.

And Ford originally recommended a different oil for the Ecoboost and then wisely changed that recommendation.
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