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  1. Pricing of cars/trucks going to collapse?

    I’m beginning to wonder whether we will see collapsing vehicle prices within a year…at least a real possibility. Some things to consider: - Foxconn (world’s largest manufacturer and maker of iphone) plans to manufacture EV skateboards - Skateboards will become interchangeable, almost like the...
  2. Dealer Allocation

    Or petition for the removal of ZEV State status…since these penalties are paid by the consumers.
  3. Ford's epic Lightning bait-and-switch is complete (the official "I'm out" thread).

    CR is useless, they pretend to be experts in everything but are masters of none.
  4. Switching Dealers

    I wish I fully understood. I had originally shared the email I received from the dealer after people acted like I was being unreasonable for wanting a fair deal. Today, I think most people recognize the disadvantage this program places on the consumer. The email essentially said that Ford had...
  5. what's your disappointment so far on what Ford Lightning has to offer

    Lack of flexibility with options is my biggest frustration. Biggest things I miss compared to the Chevy are faster charging, 400-mile range, ground up new with mid-gate (pretty cool). I actually like the concept of a newer and better looking Avalanche. But like always, Chevy decided to make the...
  6. Switching Dealers

    Chapman refused my reservation at Ford's request. They were very polite about it. Ultimately, still limited my ability to secure the best price available.
  7. INPUT ON LIGHTNING ORDER - Fallback if no Pro available?

    I don't need a truck, but I thought it would be nice to have...and can justify one with the efficiency and practicality a frunk provides. At this point, the Rivian seems to be a better value for my needs and the Silverado has some compelling advantages (fast charging, 400 mile range, EV...
  8. Any Chance of Improving My Odds to Order Lightning?

    The problem is that every dealer in the Ford network is allowed to "prioritize" a % of their orders with no documentation as to the methodology. So out of the entire dealer network, I am sure some social media influencers, politicians, and drug dealers are included. ;-) I'll leave if for...
  9. Any Chance of Improving My Odds to Order Lightning?

    Sun Devil, You are absolutely right. I can’t believe the lack of transparency in this process. Even what we “know” is not from Ford or dealer communication, but from “leaked” letters to the dealer. This process is almost as bad as the college acceptance process. Factors: - reservation date...
  10. Ford Warns Dealers Against Additional Deposit / Payment Requirements For Lightning Orders. Supports No-Resale Provisions in Purchase Contracts

    I am OK with both provisions. Dealers and consumers can act badly. I don’t want a dealer raising the price to earn a priority and I don’t want people who are not interested in a vehicle buying it, just so they can screw someone else worse than a dealer. It minimizes scalping.
  11. Ford's epic Lightning bait-and-switch is complete (the official "I'm out" thread).

    I'm cross shopping a weird combination of vehicles to replace the car that will be given to my daughter. No rush...sometime this year. Ford: Lightining, Mach-e, Maverick (although if Ford screws me on the allocation, I will bail from all three) Rivian (same price as Lariat, fully loaded and...
  12. Lightning Allocations Are Out!?

    I wonder if I can call Ford and switch dealers until my place in line improves? Switch dealer, confirm place in line, switch dealer, confirm place in line....repeat everyday for a week and switch back to original dealer if necessary. What a crappy system....
  13. *New* Online Ordering for Reservationists

    I hope so...otherwise, this program is even more anti-consumer than it is now.
  14. ? 2022 F-150 Lightning Order Bank Playbook With Pricing! ? Ordering Begin 1/6, Build & Price Tomorrow 1/4!

    In hindsight, I would have been better off ordering the Rivian since they already come fully loaded in the 70’s. Another car in the same price range is the Lucid Pure with over 400 miles range. Many decisions over the next few weeks.
  15. ? 2022 F-150 Lightning Order Bank Playbook With Pricing! ? Ordering Begin 1/6, Build & Price Tomorrow 1/4!

    I will also bail if I don’t get a crack at a 2022. The Silverado is a frame up new EV based on the Hummer, and other cars on my shortlist is the Kia EV6 or BMW i4. Supposedly my dealer is telling me I am 30 down the list (out of 150) even though I ordered in about 18 hours. If this the case, I...
  16. When is the F-150 2022 build configurator coming?

    Supposedly the Lightning's will be open for orders on January 5th...maybe this is the date for the site to update?
  17. F150 Lightning Poll: which trim level are you going to order?

    Candidly, I can’t answer this until I see pricing. For me anything between Pro & Platinum is an option, but not a fan of having 22“ wheels. If priced right, I would be tempted by the Lariat.
  18. Is California Getting the Lightning Before Others?

    Well, 11 states have dictated requirements that are different than the remaining states. So at least (2) different regulations for cars in the US that manufacturers need to comply with….vs. the recent fuel economy standards that were just changed. Does this make it easier to understand...


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